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But without further ado, let's get you to the episode with our guest today, lou Nolan, who has been with his organization since day one.
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Here we go Hello, hockey friends and families around the world, and welcome to another edition of Our Kids Play Hockey.
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I'm Lee Elias, with Mike Benelli.
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Our guest today has witnessed eight Stanley Cup Finals, two NHL All-Star Games, multiple outdoor games, the NCAA frozen for the NHL entry draft and has been around the NHL players, executives, coaches and fans since 1967.
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He is the author of If these Walls Could Talk, which I have my signed copy right here.
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Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Philadelphia Flyers Public Address announcer Lou Nolan to the show.
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Lou, welcome to Our Kids Play Hockey.
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Well, thanks, thanks very much.
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I'm glad to be here and this should be a lot of fun.
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It's going to be fun.
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I'm not going to lie to you, man.
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It's a little surreal that that voice is speaking to me, because it's a voice that I've been hearing my entire life as a Flyers fan.
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I want to assure the entire audience as well.
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We have a lot of Flyers fans that listen, but I promise the non-Flyers fans, you're going to enjoy this episode because, as we do, we're going to dive into the game a lot and lose really amazing experience.
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Lou, again, you've literally been with the Flyers since year one.
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There are not many people in the NHL who can say that with a franchise as tenured as the Philadelphia Flyers.
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Which allows me to ask a really unique question Over the lifespan of the team, the highs and the lows.
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In your opinion, what are the key factors to a franchise succeeding but also floundering Hockey?
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players management luck, the draft pre-agency things of that nature.
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The team that started here was a bunch of guys that were I'd love to see the average age of the team that we started with in 67.
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I don't know, but I remember the guys that was around them I did some traveling then and a good bunch of people, but they were not kids, they were cast-offs that were sort of allowed to be drafted by their own teams.
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The NHL draft then was just submit your players who can be drafted and you go ahead and do them.
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As opposed to now.
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You pay so much for a franchise that Gary Bettman has ensured them that they'll be competitive.
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You look at Vegas.
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They pull a great draft.
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Their GM makes a few deals where I won't draft your guy.
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If you give me this guy and make some deals there, get some players and do some smart things and you're in the finals.
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It's an amazing, amazing sport From a team that was fairly mature that's a good word to a team now, which we have, which is fairly young, except for one or two people that changed the average a little bit.
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This is a bunch of kids now.
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I've seen it from guys that I was younger then to a team that won the cup that I was.
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Their age the same Hanging out was different to a team now where they're all kids except for a few guys and they're even younger than me.
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It's different.
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Lou.
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I had the privilege of working at the NHL during the time when the 40th anniversary was going on and they did that documentary I remember on the cutting room floor.
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I won't say it, but just to give the listeners an idea how much things have changed.
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Hall of Fame player back in the 70s and early 80s was saying that they started doing off ice training quotations here.
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This is a great shot of him with a cigarette training in the training room smoking between reps.
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You could say a lot has changed in terms of the athletes and the demeanor of athletes over that time period, but I never forgot that video.
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It was crazy.
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That's so true.
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People arrived at training camp and they were to get in shape.
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They arrived at camp to get in shape.
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Now that they arrive in camp to get in shape, guess what?
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They're cut.
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They've got to stay all year and they've got to stay in condition because somebody's going to take your job.
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That's, I mean, your lifespan of the game is really one of the reasons we love having guys like you on is because we get to hear really just the evolution of the player.
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One of the things that's always a common theme with us and anybody we talk to from NHL perspective with the players, is the quality of the athlete, what the person does, and I was just wondering, from your perspective, what do you think some of the qualities of these players you've seen over all these years spanning in NHL?
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What are the similar qualities that you see in these players that are succeeding the young, the old, the veterans, the new guys?
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Obviously, off ice training is one thing and not taking a cigarette before the second period has probably changed.
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Just what are some of the qualities you see in the young men that you're dealing with?
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Because you have to interview these guys, you have to get to know them, you're getting their back stories.
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I mean, what's some of the qualities that some of our players that are going to be listening to this might take away from your experiences with the players you work with?
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Well, I'll tell you, mike, don't be afraid to work, would be number one.
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And work all the time, skate hard, listen to your coach, be ready to go, be able to shoot the puck, work on your skating, work on your shooting.
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Remember that the puck is at the end of your stick.
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So it's a different perspective.
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Gordy Howe used to say, when I saw the net, same thing with Gretzky.
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I would know that it was about two feet, three feet away from me as far as the angles go.
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So you know, understand that, understand that and be a team player, and the game's not about you, the game's about your team winning.
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Yeah, you probably see that all the time, right when you talk to your, when you talk to these guys, you know, I think hockey is a unique, a unique group of individuals where you don't really hear Maybe it's creeping in a little bit, but you don't really hear the me and I did this and you know I accomplished this.
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I mean, can you talk about?
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You know, when you're speaking with these players that are coming in, I mean that's, you know, that's unique, I think, in the sport of hockey.
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Do you agree?
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Or?
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I do, I do, mike, and I think that they have to think that way.
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There are, there are some now that think the game is about them and there have been some guys down through the years that have fought that that once they've been around a couple of years, realize that it's not because of.
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Maybe they sit for a couple of periods or do something like that and don't get in the game.
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But you know it's.
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You got to have the right mental attitude.
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You know you got to be ready to work and to to be able to.
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You know you don't shoot for the goal if you got a shot for another guy there, if you got a better angle or something of that nature.
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But you still got.
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Still see, guys look like young guys.
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If you watch the first couple of games they might pass up a shot which they should take to make a pass.
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So you got to do both.
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But scoring goals is the name of the game just giving the puck to somebody with an opportunity Right.
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You're bringing up some good points.
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I'm taking notes here and one of the things that you remind me of the first thing you said is don't be afraid to work Right, and one of the cool things about you know where you're at and the position of the game is.
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You know, and me too and Mike also.
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We get to watch a lot of NHL warmups when we want to, and one of the things I noticed when watching NHL warmups is these guys are always, even in the warmup, shooting to score.
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You know, and Mike and I do this.
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You go to a youth game.
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In the warmups you hear two things.
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You hear pucks off goalies, helmets and the backboards getting hit by the puck, right.
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You go to an NHL warmup, every puck is in the net or off the post, right, and when they miss the net they give a little grimace, like you know, I missed and one of the things, especially to our listening audience and especially the youth hockey warmups, remind your children a always be shooting to score, whether it's a practice, a game, a warmup right and then shoot with an intention right.
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If you're warming up the goalie, warm up the goalie, you know.
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I mean, don't just shoot at the goalie's head and do 16 moves.
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It's like it's like a common problem.
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I see in youth hockey that I think more coaches should be teaching.
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But the other thing, lou, is just the the the eye of the NHL athlete, of I'm putting the puck in the net.
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I always found that to be astounding, have you?
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Have you seen that?
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Have you experienced that as well?
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Well, as I said earlier, you know the name of the game is to score, right it's.
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It's not to impress somebody with your prowess.
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In the warmup you have to be prepared for everything.
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If they're putting in the work in the weight room, you know your head on the ice and you might ride a bicycle for a while there, do these things at the pro level just to get the muscles ready, right.
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And then when you're out there, you know you start out with preparing the goalie and that's the first part of the warmup is preparing the goalie.
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You know he'll come in and that take a few shots, take a skate.
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The other guy will come in, he takes a skate and then the guy that's going to play is in there for maybe you know five, eight minutes.
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But at that point it changes the second time.
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It changes where you start getting your line rushes and people do that Instead of just you know single pucks here and there and everything else.
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But you have to have the eye, you have to be ready and you know I think you're absolutely right it has to be.
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You know you have to be prepared.
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You have to shoot with a reason, with something in your brain that says I'm shooting here for this reason.
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I've been told the goalie has a has a slow glove, which none of them have anymore.
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These guys are all really good, or you know.
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They're stick side there's going to be a hole, and when you go up with the stick there's going to be a hole somewhere.
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So if you get the hole or hit the pipe as you say, it works out okay.
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You know.
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Yeah, it is amazing how players evolve and that involves goal tenders and then goalies evolve and that involves players and that's one of the beautiful parts of the game.
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And, as you said, we're reaching a point now where they're both so good that sometimes I wonder if people understand the skill level.
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Another thing you said was you know the way over me mentality, which is something we preach here and we always like to remind everybody.
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This is something that can be taught pretty young, right?
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A lot of people don't seem to realize that you can teach.
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It's more than just saying, hey, you got to work together, right?
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Coaches can can implement that type of strategy and that type of mentality into their youth hockey teams of how important team play is, and I just wrote that note here team play can be taught.
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So my question to you is because at the pro level and this is another misunderstanding it's a job.
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I think sometimes people forget it's fun.
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We play a children's game, but it is a job Absolutely, and some NHL coaches take probably correctly take the approach of it's not my job to teach you the game.
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It is your job to perform at this level.
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So I'm curious if if with you know you've been around for every coach they've had.
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If you've seen things that you've loved about coaches in that team building realm or processes of coaches within the organization that you thought, wow, that's really great and that person found success.
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I have and you know I'll tell you it means.
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It means something when management hires a coach for a particular reason.
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What we've done here with our team and Philly is, you know we changed management, total management.
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You know it's from from the chairman, the chairman on down.
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Everybody is different in the last two years, including the coach.
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So what's a mandate is out.
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There is why, where you're headed with it, you know you're honest with the fans, which the guys have been and we're not going to rebuild and we're not going to retool.
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You know it helps and it helps the coach in what he has to do.
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So there's a little bit of teaching there now, at this level, some teach more than others.
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Some coaches are hired to coach a team that's ready.
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Some coaches are hired to coach a team that is learning.
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So and early in the season now you know you've got all these kids.
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They went through the system.
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The guys that were in Lehigh went through the system with Lappie and he teaches the same system there.
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They're teaching here has to, otherwise they're going to really be terrible, the big passing and there'll be nobody there.
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So you know that all has to work together and some coaches are ready, some coaches teach and some coaches don't, and they're not around for long.
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You know, when I think of coaches, I think there's really two types of coaches.
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There's the Kevin Costner coach, who's the same coach in every movie.
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He's in right, but he does it really, really well.
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And that goes to that point.
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You were saying that if a team's in a certain position, that might be the guy that might be the role.
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But there's also chameleon coaches, right Coaches that can adapt to certain situations, and one of the big changes I've seen, as you just alluded to, is just that the mental side of the athlete has changed a lot, especially over the last 10 years, where mental health, mental fitness these are factors now that coaches have to take into account and the best ones do yeah, the best ones make room for that and understand that.
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That's a change.
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The point I'm making is that it doesn't matter if you are well-tenured or a newer coach.
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You have to constantly be evolving as a coach in order to be effective.
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That's true and you know coaches learn, just as players learn, as announcers learn, as managers learn.
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You know you can get burned by another manager and easy it happens.
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Easy.
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Some are better than others.
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Some are going to be patient, some are going to, you know, pull a trigger on something.
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If an individual is in a case where they've got to win or they're gone, the tendency is to go for a lot of people, a lot of players that might be good for a year, and not go down the road and stick around.
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What they're doing here if I can take us to here, if it's okay to do that is these guys are being patient with players while they learn and while the players learn and get better at things and get used to line mates, because the players are going to have line mates changing pretty much.
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You know.
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You see the fourth line now start games with DeLaurier and you know those three guys.
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That's the best group we have right now.
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Right.
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And you know the other guys.
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They have good games, bad games and they're switching some players out and trying to figure out what the fit is.
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But you know nobody wants to play against that fourth line because they're going to hit you and you know it's interesting to see that and I think the fans really like that idea.
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What little they have seen them together.
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Two games.
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Right, lou.
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What's funny is I think you just summed up youth hockey in a lot of ways From an age level patients while they learn it's something that sometimes we don't see a lot.
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At the younger levels we see that we have to win now, but you've really just described that patients while we learn, people move around.
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You got to find the right fits.
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You have that one sturdy line that can maybe you can turn to in a time of need.
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But I'm saying that because I'm trying to equate the NHL level to the youth level a little bit that there are still similarities that you know we made we made the statement here on a show one time, kind of as a joke, but it's true that we made the statement that every level beneath the NHL is a development league and then we said in the NHL is kind of a development league when you really think about it, because you never stop learning, right In terms of just the development of players.
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It happens at all levels.
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I think you're right, I think you can.
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You can break it into you know whether we have 32 teams now the 30 teams 31, whatever there are groups, I mean there are ones that are going to be good and they're always going to be in the game and always going to be at the top level.
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There are ones in the middle to have a shot at moving upwards, to get in playoffs.
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I mean, it's all about playoffs, right?
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Coach said playoffs, playoffs, yeah, so you know.
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And then there are guys that are just hoping that they're going to put on a good club together with what they're doing, and make them learn to move into the next level.
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So you know, there are, there are levels of teams that are going to be good and not good and you don't want to be in the bottom level.
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Yeah, and it never stops.
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That's that's the continuing evolution.
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Teams move up, teams move down.
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I want to know.
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We're recording this in October, a time filled with anticipation right now where we're 11, but in my opinion, this is the greatest sports month of the year Because, if you're fortunate, all four or five or all of your pro teams may be playing, which is which is an amazing thing.
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So Philadelphia fans have been coming up a lot lately in the media as the greatest home field advantage in sports.
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Now, this isn't going to be a flyers or Philadelphia question, I just had to say that.
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But this is my question how in tune are you and the athletes with the support of the fans and how does that play in the team culture?
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I think it plays really strong, depending on how, how the game is going.
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I think the fans can help the players.
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I think when, when you have 15,000 people there, the players realize that there's a lot of players, Realize that they're empty seats.
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And you know, we have to realize as stewards of the game, that as the players get better and it has the record gets better, more fans are going to be at the game.
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No question about it.
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So when you look to put 19,600 people in there, you got to be putting out a good product and I think that teams strive to make their product better and when they make their product better, they're going to get more support from fans and they're going to key into the support.
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I mean.
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Think about, you know, the loudest game ever in the Wells Fargo Center was probably the first game we had there, which was I think it was World Cup of Hockey.
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I mean, when Canada played US.
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I believe it was US and you know you had guys play for both teams and our team was good and we had players both places Rivaling.
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That would have been the playoffs in 2010 or 11, when Butch made that save at the very end of the game against the best shootout player period in the league and did the little dance, which he never does very much.
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But you know, you think about it and say, Well, Butch was a hell of a goalie and he sure was.
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He's had a lot of good things and now we're lucky to have him there.
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But I mean, that was loud that day and JJ Daniel shot.
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I guess that was was a Wells Fargo, I don't know.
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You know, things go by and years go by and I've been around so long I'm not really sure sometimes, you know do you?
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remember that series, Mike.
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No, I love it, I put it behind me, but I think it's no, that's so.
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Lou, I had a really question, because you know, when you bring up just the fans and the rink and the atmosphere, I mean, do you, do you feed off that?
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I mean, does your energy, I mean, are you trying to be even keeled?
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Is your energy feeding off that as well?
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Well, I try to be a professional, right.
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I try not to yell very much, I try not to be like some of the teams.
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I won't name any teams, but there are.
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There are teams that are directed to do things differently and have shows having a show.
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I think our players are our show and, you know, I guess the one thing that is a little bit over the top is the Pico power play, which has its own life.
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I mean, it really does.
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Yeah, we all know that it's all life.
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So you know, at that I try to try to bring that home.
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And when our power plays going good, it's great, and when we're 0 for 5, it's not so good near the end there.
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And Mike, you might not know this, but there was a year or two there they didn't do Pico power play and it was very weird for all the fans, because that's just how we've known the power play For those outside of Philadelphia.
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Pico is our power company here and they've sponsored the power play for many, many years and, lou, to your credit, you have always been very professional.
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In my time watching the team I've heard small inflections in your voice during good times.
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You know you kind of.
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You make those calls a little bit more like gold calls sometimes, but you have all, which is great.
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You've always been professional and I think that the fact you have been there since 1967 says a lot about your professionalism.
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Well, you know you go through times at the beginning there where they're not so hot, and then you go through great times.
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You went to Stanley Cups I was announcing for both of those road two parades, you know, took the cup to work.
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I mean it was, it was cool, and you know.
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And then you know, do well for a little while because you know players move around and and things happen.
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And then you know you get into a situation where you hope the team gets better, which is where we are now, everything that can happen.
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But naturally big goals are going to sound better.