Aug. 26, 2023

Insights from Goalie Coach Brian Santora and the Importance of Multi-Sport Participation in Youth Sports

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Season 1 Our Kids Play Goalie

On this episode of Our Kids Play Goalie, Brian Santora, USA Hockey Goaltending Coach Instructor joins us to share his journey and the importance of specialized coaching. We discuss the tools for understanding the position that coaches, parents, and players can implement at all levels.

We turn our spotlight on the world of youth hockey, emphasizing the importance of effective goal-tending training in each practice. With the advent of the internet, goal-tending information is accessible, but how can coaches, parents, and players filter helpful instruction from the noise? Brian brings a distinctive perspective to the discussion, underscoring the value of goalies playing other positions. He provides a balanced outlook on hockey, arguing for the importance of rotational goaltending at different levels.

We wrap up our conversation with Brian by discussing the impact of specialization in youth sports, the benefits of multi-sport participation and allowing kids to diversify their activities - a philosophy that Brian believes can cement a passion for the sport. We also delve into the necessity of incorporating mental fitness training into practice regimes and allowing young goal tenders to develop their unique style. You'll hear an inspiring discussion about Brian's first responder hockey team and the positive impact of the game beyond the ice rink. 

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00:51 - Importance of Goaltending Education for Coaches

11:37 - Goalie Coaching in Youth Hockey

20:50 - Incorporating Effective Goal-Tending Training Into Coaching

31:38 - The Importance of Balancing Goalie Training

35:04 - Youth Hockey and Multi-Sport Participation

39:27 - Youth Sports' Impact of Specialization

50:32 - Mental Fitness for Goal Tenders

01:00:54 - Discovering Your Unique Style in Hockey

01:06:34 - Hockey and Fundraising for First Responders

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Hey everybody, I'm going to keep this intro super brief this week because I have a really nice intro to the show today.

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But we have Brian Santoro on.

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He was my instructor at the USA Hockey Goal Tending Bronze course, so he's going to drop a lot of gems today for not just goaltenders but coaches, parents, players, everyone that plays ice hockey about how to incorporate this position into your practices and the importance of developing this position.

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So explain to you why you might want to look into getting that bronze certification, if not more, in the USA Hockey Goal Tending course.

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But without further ado, let's get you into the show with Brian Santora of Our Kids Play Goalie.

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Hello hockey friends and families around the world and welcome to another episode of Our Kids Play Goalie.

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You know, just over a month ago, before recording this, I had the privilege to be a student once again at the USA Hockey Bronze Goaltending Coach Course and it was an interesting experience for me, as I was surrounded by other goalies and goalie coaches and I was just one of maybe two or three non-goalies in the room.

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With that said, I learned a lot about the position and, more importantly, walked away with some tools I could use within my own practices and approach to the game, something we created this show exactly to do.

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So today, I'm happy to bring you two things from that course.

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One, for those of you watching this prestigious bronze level badge that I earned this bronze level badge.

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I've showed it to everybody.

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I am a goalie coach.

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I haven't done that Actually, I'm very shy about saying I'm a goalie coach because there are people far more qualified than me but I did get the badge.

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And two, more importantly, I asked my instructor, brian Santora, to join us for this episode, which he graciously accepted.

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Brian was born and raised in Philadelphia, pennsylvania, and has been playing goalie since four years old.

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That's something we're going to jump into in just a moment.

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He became a tier one goalie in the area before playing juniors in Surrey, british Columbia, which led to him playing college hockey and minor league hockey.

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Like most of us listening, when Brian became a parent, his life changed and he turned to the world of coaching.

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Brian served as the assistant hockey director at the Flyers Training Center and founded the Spartan Goaltenny Academy in 2019.

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He was also in that year.

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He got involved with the USA Hockey programs to coach coaches, parents, players, admin, everything anything in between.

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We've got a lot to unpack on this one.

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Brian.

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Welcome to our kids play goalie.

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Thanks for having me.

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Guys.

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Well, the pleasures all are.

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So let's start with this one.

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I teased it in the open.

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You started playing goalie at four, which by today's standards, that wouldn't even happen.

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Were you volunteer to go in net?

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Did you volunteer to go in net?

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How did you end up in the net at four years old?

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So I never wanted to be a goal tender.

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My grandfather was goalie and I couldn't stand just watching him.

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When I would go and watch his games, I'm like I'm never going to do that, I'm never just going to stand there.

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And my grandfather was an old fashioned stand up goalie, you know leather pads, the face mask, the whole nine yards.

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And so I started at Rizzo rink, which is a small three quarter ice sheet in south Philadelphia, and my first game.

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I was all set to go out and be this.

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You know, defenseman, that I was going to just throw people around and defend the goalie and I heard that our goalie wasn't going to show up and the coach walks over to my grandfather and it's sunk in very quickly that they were going to tell me to go put the house pads on and I cried the entire game, but most like most Adam division games back in those days, the game ended in a one nothing win for us because the kids it was just a cloud of children chasing a puck around the ice and I had one shot on net and I made that save and I got my first shot out and I was hooked because it was the coolest feeling in the world, because everybody jumped on me after the game and the coaches were yelling, so from them point on, I was just, I was.

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I was a.

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I was addicted to the position.

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Yeah, brian, I can tell you this.

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I don't believe I have any memories from that age, so this was like a core memory for you.

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This started you on a path at four years old.

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It's funny I shared this that I remember when my son is obviously a goalie We've talked about this on the show many times for those of you listening, but it was the same experience.

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You kind of got a shut out in his first game and I remember I've joked with Mike.

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I went, oh no, this is going to be, this is going to be a thing and and I'll tell you what he has fallen in love with it.

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He really loves.

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He's actually at a goal tending camp as we're recording this.

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So so that's that's where my life is at.

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And I was excited to bring you on again because when I attended the course, there was a real, you know, push towards.

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This isn't just for goalies, right, and that goal tending education is lacking across the board in youth hockey.

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It's not just the coaches aren't there, it's all coaches need to know more about this.

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And, mike, this question is kind of almost for you too, mike, but I want you both to answer.

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I want to talk about the USA hockey goal tending courses, why they were created, and I want to hear both thoughts.

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You know why this education is important for all coaches, not just goalie coaches.

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Yeah, I mean, I mean Brian's, obviously, you know, right in the thick of it right now, and with this, you know, I think I don't even want to say this new philosophy, but just a re invigorating and reinventing of the of the goalie educational program.

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You know, it's really come, I think, forefront to to everybody you know around the world, right.

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So I think when, when I started with the bronze and the coaching education program, we actually we're out in Long Island and like, yeah, guys like Tony Louiezy and Dave Starman and Mike McMillan, these guys and one of the things that happened was when you went to the American Development Model and we went to the small area games and these, you know, station based practices, all of a sudden all these hockey coaches are like, oh, what am I supposed to do with my goalies?

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Like, there's the six stations out here.

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I just got the kid sitting in the net, right, he's just, he's just there.

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And I think that really spurred the the need to say, well, this is what a great opportunity we have to to specifically work with goaltenders.

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And since, you know, everybody can't have a goalie coach you know most programs we have to make our coaches goalie coaches and understand the position and understand that.

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You know quality over quantity is not the goal here, and I think a lot of that, a lot of that really, you know, came from the American Development Model.

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It came from the fact that we were in a, in an environment where we wanted to get a lot of quality reps and then you need to teach the people that were working with those athletes, whatever position they were, to make sure the quality reps had a lot of structural pieces in there that were correct.

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And I think goaltending, more than any other position, the structural piece is so important.

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You know.

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You know, obviously you want your goaltenders to be who they are, but there's a lot of structural pieces in goaltending that you know.

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You don't, you don't worry as much about from a forwarder.

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You know a skater position, but you know Brian's.

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You know Brian, I just like to hear you know more.

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You know wear that the last couple of years and especially, you know you I'm sure you went through the the most of the online time right and the fact that you have to teach for teaching goaltending just virtually right.

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You know you only have a chance to like, grab somebody and be like hey, this is an angle.

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You know, it's how we work on our angles and this is the visualization and this, like it's such, it's such a.

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I think it actually helped us fine tune the messaging and make it clearer for people, because you just couldn't put somebody in the net and say here's two pipes and here's we have to align yourself with the, you know, with the rest of the rink.

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So I will tell you I was.

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I came from the age of just getting the net and get shot at and you'll get better, and I didn't receive like quality goaltending coaching as like a part of my season.

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Until I played in juniors, until I got the Surrey, I didn't have goalie coaching.

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It was.

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It was a.

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You know, I was like I said, my grandfather was a goalie so I got tips from him, but they were very old school stand-up style.

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When I got the chance, I was brought into the fold by Alex Pachasek, which is now he's the goalie coaching chief for the Atlantic district, and I saw what they were trying to do and I was.

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I was like I'm in if I can help in any way to bridge that gap between the head coach or assistant coach and the goalie so that they're not just hey, just get in the net.

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You know it's.

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It's not a thousand reps of the same shots with no instruction.

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It doesn't help a goalie.

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You know goalies aren't an advantage right now because there is so much information online more so than was ever available before for these kids to learn.

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But we want to try and distill that down so that the coaches can tailor their practices to benefit the goalies.

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And yes, the ADM absolutely revolutionized the way that we're doing practices now in hockey and it's we kind of we took that and we wanted to add a, you know, almost like a sublet or a sub, you know subset practice inside of the regular practice where we teach the coaches hey, listen, you can design a drill however you want to design it, but this is how you incorporate the goalie and give him feedback and make sure that you know he's getting quality practice time too.

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It's not just you know you have a three-shot drill to warm everybody up and the goalie is getting inundated with six or seven shots before he can even reset.

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We've now told, told coaches, you need to pull back and have your assistants kind of time the kids as they're going, not just let them just keep running.

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You know, rough shot over the goaltenders.

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It's been a real great experience working with Steve and the rest of the USA hockey and seeing how much kind of on a pedestal they're putting the goal-tending position right now.

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I'm not trying to center us and make us more important than anybody else, but you know, giving that, I guess, credence to the position.

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You know it's not just oh, I have this star, you know two forward lines and or I've got the most defensive team in hockey.

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It's.

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I have a well-rounded team that's an offensive threat, you know.

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They're solid defensively, they know where to go, they know how to outlet and my goal tender is well trained and we take care of him in practice.

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So, yeah, it's, it's the.

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How far we've come since I took my first bronze course is leaps and bounds because, again, like I said earlier, the, the goal-tending coaching class was originally, like you know, when I, when I took it, it was more kind of geared towards goalie coaches or parents that were getting involved with teams that wanted to be goalie coaches and help out.

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And now it's.

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We want everybody to take the course.

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I want head coaches there, assistant coaches there, you know, you know, met men and women that are involved in this game, that are that are teaching these kids, you know, and I want them to be able to, if they're by themselves, still be able to help their goalies out and still be able to, you know, disseminate good information for them.

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Yeah, I think one of the things we've seen you know from this our kids play goalie section is we so many goal tenders that start getting involved in teaching because of the need of the, the non-goal tending coach, saying, well, yeah, yeah, it's, it's.

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That's how I grew up.

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I, you know, you just get in the net, makes saves, like I used to joke around, you know, with, like my college kids, like we have three goalies.

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My job isn't my job is to find you three, your job is to be the best goalie.

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Like I'm not worried about you know, figure out who's gonna win.

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You know the battle of three.

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I gave you three people.

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Let's see who the best one is, instead of teaching and moving those players up.

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I think what we've seen now at the youth level and and you know you made a great point, brian was that, that piece of knowing that we have to do more for our kids in the net, because I'm the coach of all the kids, I'm not just the coach of the forwards or I'm not just the defensive coach, I'm coaching all of the kids.

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Now, if we're fortunate enough to have practices at the youth level where we have a defensive coach, an offensive coach, a goalie coach, a manager, great, but even in that case, right, you watch it every single level of the game.

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The goalies have to be thought of when you're building out your practice plan because you need to make sure that they're getting.

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You know, we joke around in these episodes all the time that if you want players to stop pox, track pox, freeze pox and stop a play, well, you have to allow that to happen every day in practice.

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If you're just asking players to stop a pocket and run and jump to the other side of the net, those reps are are actually very negative reps.

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And I think what the bronze you know clinic is done and all these goalie clinics has done is open the eyes for coaches to understand, maybe not the position so much, but the importance of timing, the importance of quality, the importance of mimicking the game so that we can prepare our goalies.

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Like I, you know, when I talk to the offensive coaches right, and they're talking about my kids, can my kids don't know how to score.

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Like they don't know how to get rebounds.

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Like, well, every drill you've done for 20 weeks is shooting loop, shooting loop, shooting loop.

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So if you're all your players and practices, shoot the puck and then go to the corner and go to the line.

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That's what your game looks like and, I think, what the USA hockey's done, and in your, in the courses that guys like you are running with that sense, open the eyes to coaches to say, wow, if I want my goalies to be quality players in the net and I got to give them quality reps, and that's, I think, one of the things.

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I don't need to know the logistics of you know different plays from a goal tenor.

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I just need to know how to put that player in the position to then, to your point, be able to take all these learning points that they're getting from either a goalie coach, clinics, camps, youtube, you know Instagram and allow them then to figure out, you know, how can they be the best goalie, as long as I give them the chance to stop pucks in a in a game like scenario.

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Yeah, you know, I'll say go ahead, ryan, I apologize.

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No, no, no, no, it's.

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I just, I'm just agreeing, mike, it's, it's.

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It's refreshing to hear coaches talk like that and it's becoming more commonplace.

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There are still few old, you know, old fashioned holdouts in the coaching world where it's, you know I don't need to, I don't need to coach my goal.

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One of my assistants can do that.

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I just designed the plays and I need them to make stops and, in all honesty, eventually those dinosaurs will go to the wayside and you know we'll have completed the turnaround into a newer age of youth hockey where, you know everybody gets development equally and you know I get it.

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Not everybody.

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And Mike, you're absolutely right, not everybody is going to be an in depth goalie coach and be able to counsel their goalie.

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Hey, man, you should have made a power slide across the crease and you know, come back to your post.

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You know, versus.

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You know, hey, you might.

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It's a little observation.

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Hey, our defenseman, or boxing that guy out.

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I need you to come out a little bit further from the crease.

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I don't, I'm not going to tell you what kind of save to make, but you're playing a little conservative.

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How about you know, helping our defenseman out and putting that in the corner or freezing to play for us.

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This is what I want you to do in this instance.

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If we're really dying on the penalty kill, I need you to make a freeze somewhere, you know.

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But just having that little bit of understanding and then being able to curtail your practices in those real game situations is critical.

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Yeah, I can talk to that.

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You know, one of my biggest takeaways from the course, brian, was it doesn't take much on a coach's end to kind of have a clue.

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I wanted to leave that course with a clue right.

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So again, never really played goalie in my life.

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I've gone to goaltending clinics when I was a younger player because I wanted to learn how to score, believe it or not.

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So I've seen goalie camps but I would never say like I know the position.

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In fact, jokingly, someone asked me, someone knew I took that course, and they came up to me and said are you a goaltending coach?

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And I was like no and like but no, but you are.

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I was like okay, yes, I took a course, but I'm still not comfortable being called that.

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You know what I mean.

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Like, like I just, I just wanted to have a clue.

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And the biggest takeaway from the course was you know, especially from that on ice session One, mike, to your credit, not not just how easy the quick change gear was, which is a no brainer If you're in a youth organization at that level but the thought process of okay, look, you have an hour, 15 minutes.

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Goalie needs 15 minutes to do this type of stuff.

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You should take them aside for 15 minutes if possible.

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Let them do this training on the drills.

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Make sure that there's an understanding of the position, of how it's worked into your drills.

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And like also little things, like you said, mike, earlier, brian, you said this too at the clinic.

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You know not shot shot, shot, shot, shot.

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Like let them reset, let them figure things out, let them understand that.

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And then other methodologies of just adding things to the drill.

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Like again, all the goalies listening are going to roll their eyes, but like this is something I didn't know of.

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Just like having a phantom shot by putting a stick down and making the goalie know okay, there's, there's pretend to shots coming from here and then get up and how valuable that little element is to making a goalie more comfortable.

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Now the other thing I'm going to say is this and as a coach for 20 years, I've never understood anybody not just coaches that does not take time to focus on that position.

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Maybe it's because I grew up in Philadelphia and we had a goal tending carousel for my entire life in the NHL.

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Or maybe it's just because, having played, I just have a clue of how important that position is.

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But if you're not taking a moment to have a clue about that position as a coach, you're really letting the whole team down.

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In my opinion, right, it is the most important position on the ice by far.

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Right, the only player who plays the whole game, typically, right, and it's just.

00:18:17.138 --> 00:18:37.470
It does not take much to incorporate some thought into your drills, into your communication We'll get into that in a few minutes, brian of how you can communicate with your goalies and then just the work that they need to do, right, like again, I think one of the things we talked about at that course was just hey, if you have the means, give 15 minutes to that goalie and a coach to just work on some things.

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And you know and I've heard, I can hear coaches well, my players need shots, your goalie needs work.

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You know it's like they can shoot.

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You have shooter tutors, we have everything we need nowadays for a player to figure out how to shoot on the net.

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So that was my big takeaway and I'm going to say it.

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I left this course having probably more than just a clue about the position.

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Other things too, I think, and this is where I think it's tough for you, brian.

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I love your thoughts on this.

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I'm sitting in a room surrounded by goalies and you have to go through the equipment, right, and it's like, look, I can see the goalies in the room.

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Like well, okay, look, I know the equipment.

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But for me, obviously, I know the equipment, but I didn't know it like you had taught it.

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I didn't know the importance of certain things and, slowly but surely, some of these goalies did start asking questions of well, what do you think about this and what do you think about that?

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So it is so important from a coaching standpoint if you have the ability to take this course.

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It's not long, it's not even half a day right, it's great information, you'll have a clue.

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I thought it was engaging in terms of the conversations that we had, right, and I think it's also good that I was surrounded by goalies, because I was listening to them on the ice too, right, I like listening to them.

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Like, well, if you do this and you do that, one of them came up to me on a drill and I'll throw it back to you and I said what do you think the goalie is doing wrong in this drawing?

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I was like I don't know what the hell he's doing wrong.

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I'm trying to figure that right from you, and then they explained it to me.

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I was like I never thought about that.

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So again, that was long-winded, but my point is it's so important to have a clue as a coach.

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It does not take much on our part as coaches to incorporate effective, goal-tending training into every single practice.

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Probably just should have started with that.

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I would have saved this all life.

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And I sometimes come across as a little condescending as a goalie and as a goalie coach, but four-head coaches that I've butted heads with, it makes me laugh sometimes how clueless some of the old school coaches can be and even some of the newer coaches.

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You're not always going to have a guy that played high-level hockey that's going to be coaching your kids.

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You're not always going to have somebody who's a professional coach.

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You're going to get a dad that's in there.

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Like I play men's league, I'll coach the kids.

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I can be there every week.

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I can be there on the weekends.

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It literally takes you an hour to go online and learn even a basic understanding of goal-tending.

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If you've never touched a pair of pads in your life, if you've never watched a video, you know it takes zero effort to go onto YouTube and go down a rabbit hole for an hour.

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You know there's so much information.

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I tell my kids that I coach this all the time.

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There's no reason why you shouldn't know every last bit of history and have a grasp of the understanding of how this position works by just going on your phone and ticking around on the Internet.

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So it's nothing for a coach to go on and just kind of absorb some of that information and, admittedly, at the class I told you guys I'm the biggest goalie nerd that there is.

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I love equipment, I love tips and tricks, I love drills.

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My phone is a buffet of goal-tending everything you know.

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And I admittedly, sometimes my kid gets a little tired of it because, like, he's just exposed to it all the time and he makes fun of me because I get so excited.

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We'll go to the hockey store and I'll see a new set of pads and I'll start, you know, pulling it apart and looking at it and you know I hear him roll his.

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You know I hear him roll his eyes and he goes all right, here goes, dad, I'm going to go somewhere else in the store, dad, you have fun.

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Yeah, but I think in that same, in that same breath, right that we have to be aware that if you're a goalie parent, you're, you're coming into it assuming the head coach is a professional, like you're like, oh, this guy's coaching my team, he's the coach I mean so.

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So it behooves you as that coach, whether you're a goalie coach or not, to be the most knowledgeable coach you can be.

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I mean, it doesn't make sense to me that you wouldn't.

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You would just dismiss a very important position on your team and say, hey, listen, like even even me, like get to.

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You thought you're like I hate those programs.

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Give like goalies, like free goal ten or half goal-tending price.

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Oh, you're a goal ten and you pay half.

00:22:53.634 --> 00:22:55.634
Well, you pay more, you play more than my kid does.

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You play every game, you're every practice.

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But instead of saying I'm going to, I'm going to, you know, charge you half of what it costs.

00:23:02.634 --> 00:23:05.634
Actually, you're going to, you're going to pay the full boat, because that's what we're doing.

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We're adding we have knowledgeable people are going to work with your kid every day, so you don't have to go out and get to 16 hours of training.

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Now can that enhance what you do?

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But it shouldn't.

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You shouldn't feel, as a goalie parent, that every time you go to practice is just because you're on the team but you have to go get supplemented, you know help.

00:23:23.074 --> 00:23:23.634
It doesn't make sense to me.

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So you know again, if you're a pitcher, if you're a catcher, if you're a quarterback, I get it, you're going to get, you're going to get extra fine tuning advice from trainers.

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But on the day to day practice you should get quality reps, the right reps.

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But you know instruction, feedback, communication, all those kind of things have to be part of what you do.

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And if you're a head coach and you can go to a clinic, like lead did, and say, listen, I'm not going to get a coach, I'm going to say, listen, I'm knowledge about all the positions.

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Am I an expert at this?

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No, by no means.

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but I'm knowledgeable about all the positions and I think that's so important for people to understand, Brian, we should note too I should have said this at the start we had people from all over.

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This was only like a 30 minute drive for me and I was like, okay, we had people from Florida in the room.

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We had people from England in the room.

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I mean, they came from everywhere for this course, which I mean the people from Florida was shocked, you know, but that's, that's how much it meant to them and they were really engaged.

00:24:19.241 --> 00:24:22.160
I'm going to get my money's worth out of this.

00:24:23.694 --> 00:24:24.557
Yeah, yeah, we've.

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Historically, I mean, the Atlanta district is one of the only districts that does the in person goal tending clinic or the goal tending coaching, the bronze level course, pretty much anymore.

00:24:33.085 --> 00:24:33.895
It's a lot of.

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It is like you said earlier in, the show is virtual.

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Now A lot of everything is online and you know, I, while I feel that the virtual aspect has its merits and it reaches a wider base and you're able to touch, you know, with a lot more coaches in that aspect, that it makes you know the referee clinics, the, you know the every year coaching clinics a lot easier, specialized courses and what we call the high performance modules, like goal tending.

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I feel like it should be an in person thing.

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I feel like you get more in person because you're on the ice, you're running the drills, you're making the drills more complex for the upper level kids, you're simplifying them and boiling them for the little kids that are just starting out.

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We've had people.

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We had a guy last year come in from the Mayo Clinic.

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He works there, he's also a coach out in California and he, you know he brought his t shirts and you know it was really cool.

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We've had, you know, canadian coaches come down.

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They, you know they would happen to be in the United States anyway.

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So they, on their road trip, they stopped in, did the course it really doesn't affect them because they're under hockey Canada, but they were just looking for another kind of aspect or, you know, seeing the game from another light.

00:25:46.948 --> 00:25:52.982
Yeah, we get a pretty good draw for that course and it's always a lot of fun to see.

00:25:52.982 --> 00:25:57.490
That's why Alex always asks like who drove the farthest or who flew the farthest to get here?

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I was out right away on.

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I knew that.

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But here's the thing I was.

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I was gladly out.

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I was like I didn't want to be traveling three or four hours.

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I do want to just quickly, because we've been teasing at the whole episode.

00:26:06.941 --> 00:26:09.586
Let's just quickly walk through the goal tending courses.

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There's bronze or silver, there's gold, and they don't happen every year.

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Right, but I'm sure there's people listening right now.

00:26:15.622 --> 00:26:16.364
They're getting interested.

00:26:16.364 --> 00:26:19.489
So, brian, could you just walk us through just quickly?

00:26:19.489 --> 00:26:21.854
You know the roadmap of what these courses entail.

00:26:22.935 --> 00:26:23.155
Sure.

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So what we prefer is that you get your level one first, then you're in the system and then what we used to do is we used to take the goal-tending course and use that as your certification year and bump you up kind of as your module.

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But now it's its own separate entity now, because it's more like a supplemental, kind of like hey, we're more complex as a coach now.

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So you'll get your level one and then, once you get your level one, you complete all your requirements and everything.

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You can sign up for the high performance goal-tending bronze.

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That's your initial kind of introduction.

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That's what we want everybody to take.

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We would love everybody to be a gold level goalie coach but realistically you start going down the rabbit hole of goal-tending as you get to silver and gold.

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It's more curtailed to very high level coaches.

00:27:13.566 --> 00:27:20.907
So like college, junior, professional and then specialized goalie coaching for silver and gold.

00:27:20.907 --> 00:27:24.522
So after you're done your bronze, you do your classroom and you're on ice.

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You'll get your badge and there it is.

00:27:29.454 --> 00:27:30.500
I don't even have one of those.

00:27:30.500 --> 00:27:32.279
So those of you listening, I'm holding it up right now.

00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:33.323
It's a cool little badge.

00:27:33.323 --> 00:27:34.204
I'm not going to lie to you.

00:27:34.204 --> 00:27:35.700
I was like I appreciate that.

00:27:36.636 --> 00:27:37.520
I'm jealous of you guys.

00:27:37.520 --> 00:27:39.201
I don't even have one of those badges.

00:27:39.555 --> 00:27:42.801
Oh, I'll make sure you get one, don't worry.

00:27:44.375 --> 00:27:46.221
So after your bronze you'll move up to silver.

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Silver has been in flux over the last year and a half because we've been re-tooling what's going to be included and how often we're going to offer that, and they're kind of offset now.

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So the silver will not be offered the same year as a gold, and once you complete your silver they're a little bit more rare but they're still.

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Usually we want them to be like once a year, maybe twice a year, and we'll offer them East Coast, west Coast, central, kind of alternating Boston, philadelphia, california, los Angeles, minnesota, colorado, big cities where we can get a big draw.

00:28:23.146 --> 00:28:27.084
And then your gold course is probably going to be the most rare.

00:28:27.084 --> 00:28:28.441
It's going to be like every other year.

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It's going to be offset with the level five coaching symposium.

00:28:32.934 --> 00:28:35.743
So those will be few and far between.

00:28:35.743 --> 00:28:37.500
You really kind of got to look for those ones.

00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:44.946
But if somebody's really interested, they are more than welcome to contact me.

00:28:44.946 --> 00:28:56.105
And in that same vein, for what I promised you guys at your course, we'll be coming out soon, so expect your mailbox to get inundated with some goalie stuff.

00:28:56.105 --> 00:29:03.067
I finally got the email list off Alex, who was on vacation, so I'll be flooding you and the other coaches that were.

00:29:03.067 --> 00:29:06.319
There's emails with as bad as much information as I can pack it.

00:29:06.994 --> 00:29:20.345
No, listen, it's a funny thing for me, like I said that, when my son really chose the position as a parent and again I always have to be careful as a parent, like you said before, how much of a goalie nerd you are I'm just a hockey nerd.

00:29:20.345 --> 00:29:23.556
So the way I saw this was like, oh wow, there's like a whole new thing of hockey.

00:29:23.556 --> 00:29:25.280
I'm going to get to learn here that I don't know.

00:29:25.280 --> 00:29:27.576
I love that To the point.

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I have to make sure that I have to be careful with him of how much you know.

00:29:30.042 --> 00:29:30.644
You know what I mean.

00:29:30.644 --> 00:29:32.038
It's just I don't want to.

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I don't want to be like lame for him.

00:29:33.723 --> 00:29:34.659
I want him to enjoy it.

00:29:34.659 --> 00:29:41.215
But I will give a testament again that this bronze level course a member of your coaching staff.

00:29:41.215 --> 00:29:43.743
If it can't be, you really should take this.

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You should want somebody on your staff that has a clue of what to do with goal tending with within your practices, within your games, within your office.

00:29:52.365 --> 00:29:54.500
I do want to say to Mike you made a great point before.

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You know one of the things I'm really impressed with with my son's organization this year, which I wasn't expecting again, Brian, my son just made the jump from might to squirt.

00:30:02.463 --> 00:30:19.180
So there's a little more organization this year and, as a goalie, not only do I feel like he's getting the proper instruction to practice from his coaches, but they've also brought in goal tending nights with professional goalie coaches once a week, really through the end of the year, and I was blown away by that.

00:30:19.180 --> 00:30:20.984
And Mike, we paid full price, right.

00:30:20.984 --> 00:30:40.403
But I feel like, wow, we're getting a lot out of this season, just from a positional standpoint as a goalie, that they want the extra mile, and I like it because I think organizations now are realizing they have to make themselves valuable, right, or they're not going to get the intake of kids, because there's a lot of fortunately and unfortunately, mostly unfortunately kids switch organizations all the time.

00:30:40.403 --> 00:30:46.961
But you know, if you create a valuable place for people to land, they're going to want to stay and they're going to want to work and I was impressed by that.

00:30:46.961 --> 00:30:48.299
I wasn't expecting to see that.

00:30:48.299 --> 00:30:52.443
By the way, adversely, they're also offering power skating for the skaters.

00:30:54.136 --> 00:31:01.875
But, brian, when you look at my kid and again, another thing I learned from the course was, you know I don't necessarily want him in the pads every single day, right Is that?

00:31:01.875 --> 00:31:05.246
You know he's going to have really good instruction from a goal tending standpoint.

00:31:05.246 --> 00:31:10.165
He's going to be skating out, you know, probably 25% of the time during the week.

00:31:10.165 --> 00:31:21.339
You know one game he skates out, one practice he skates out and I look at it like well, what, what a really well rounded year this is going to be for him from an educational standpoint.

00:31:21.339 --> 00:31:23.625
He's going to get the 360 view of the game.

00:31:23.625 --> 00:31:24.366
All right.

00:31:24.875 --> 00:31:26.740
Now he's still nine and 10, so I still have to deal with that aspect of it.

00:31:26.740 --> 00:31:30.223
That's my, that's my charge as a parent, right?

00:31:30.223 --> 00:31:38.863
But that's what I'd like to see more of that right that you know not being in the pads all the time, understanding other aspects of the game.

00:31:38.863 --> 00:31:42.244
I think it's also important, brian, that non-goals get in the pads.

00:31:42.244 --> 00:31:45.068
I think that was something we've talked about on the show.

00:31:45.068 --> 00:31:47.820
But a big takeaway is until you're in that net, you just don't understand.

00:31:47.820 --> 00:31:49.038
I don't know how else to say that.

00:31:49.038 --> 00:31:51.239
Right, I absolutely agree.

00:31:52.115 --> 00:31:55.160
I absolutely agree with that sentiment and it's great that he's skating out.

00:31:55.160 --> 00:32:00.846
And kids really shouldn't be specializing at the goal-tending position until late Peewees.

00:32:00.846 --> 00:32:07.315
You know, in my opinion they should still at some point during the season be skating out if possible and listen.

00:32:07.315 --> 00:32:12.046
I understand the realism of the sport and in Peewees that's not going to happen.

00:32:12.046 --> 00:32:14.364
You're going to have kids that are just like I want to be the goalie.

00:32:14.364 --> 00:32:14.846
That's all I want to be.

00:32:14.846 --> 00:32:15.772
I had a kid at mites.

00:32:15.772 --> 00:32:19.560
That's all he wanted to do and dad fought me tooth and nail on it.

00:32:20.234 --> 00:32:21.763
But you know the development model is.

00:32:21.763 --> 00:32:24.375
You know you want the kids switching out at the might level.

00:32:24.375 --> 00:32:28.005
You want them quick changing out of that equipment so everybody gets a chance.

00:32:28.005 --> 00:32:31.023
And are you going to have kids that are I don't want to play goaltender at all.

00:32:31.023 --> 00:32:32.519
I don't ever want to touch that position.

00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:33.742
Try it once.

00:32:33.742 --> 00:32:34.806
You don't like it.

00:32:34.806 --> 00:32:36.078
You never have to do it again.

00:32:36.078 --> 00:32:37.317
You know that's, that's.

00:32:37.317 --> 00:32:39.483
That was always my philosophy with the kids.

00:32:39.483 --> 00:32:45.788
If you do like it, let's rotate you in and out, let's, you know, let's see how this goes, and then you start maybe getting into.

00:32:45.788 --> 00:32:51.724
All right, I'm going to play a little bit more and play a little bit more, but the fact that they're having him skate out, fantastic, that's right.

00:32:51.724 --> 00:32:55.502
I'm not the kind of coach that would say, okay, wants to be a goalie.

00:32:55.502 --> 00:32:56.064
Put him in pads.

00:32:56.064 --> 00:33:00.865
Never take him out, cause I mean, that's what happened to me and it's a crime to watch me skate out.

00:33:01.055 --> 00:33:08.428
It's, by the way, he's not fighting it, like like you know, like, look, this kid's a goalie, he wants to be a goalie, but he wasn't fighting the.

00:33:08.428 --> 00:33:10.375
Oh, I get to go skate out every once in a while.

00:33:10.375 --> 00:33:13.519
Because it was kind of presented to him that way, like, yeah, you want to know everything.

00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:18.240
So he was very accepting of it as play right, oh, I'll get to do this.

00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:26.125
And I think that that we run into traps sometimes when it's like yeah, no, you're, you need to be in the net because you're the goalie and you kids want to play.

00:33:26.125 --> 00:33:28.361
They just want to play Period.

00:33:28.361 --> 00:33:29.364
I'm not just talking hockey.

00:33:29.364 --> 00:33:31.118
So, mike, I see you want to say something.

00:33:31.118 --> 00:33:32.242
I keep talking over you, sorry.

00:33:33.154 --> 00:33:33.777
No, no, no, no, no.

00:33:33.777 --> 00:33:37.317
At the very least, you know if you're going to be a year round, if you're going to be a goal tender.

00:33:37.317 --> 00:33:51.876
I think that's where, as a parent and a coach, you have to get that player out of the net and into another sport and into a running sport or an agility sport or an endurance sport, like something that that doesn't entail them being in pads Cause again, again.

00:33:51.876 --> 00:33:56.638
Unfortunately, we don't see the repercussions of that nine year old until they're 19.

00:33:56.638 --> 00:34:04.603
And then 20, and then they're having, like, all kinds of mobility issues and flex issues and there's, all you know, strain on different muscle groups.

00:34:04.974 --> 00:34:08.945
So I'm all for playing players, you know playing out and Brian your apps.

00:34:08.945 --> 00:34:14.742
I mean, listen, I played goalie and player until Bannum and because nobody else wanted to play goalie, I'm like God, I love playing goalie.

00:34:14.742 --> 00:34:15.222
This is great.

00:34:15.222 --> 00:34:20.356
I was like no, that was like good no, but I said I like it, you know, and it was.

00:34:20.356 --> 00:34:24.706
It was so many depended on me to be in the net, right, because they didn't have anybody.

00:34:24.706 --> 00:34:41.766
But I think, more importantly, it just gave you know I don't like today's game and you just talked about, you know, when the new pads come out, right, the game's not allowing us to have a pee week kid say, hey, I'm going to get two sets of equipment and I'm going to play out and play in and another kid's going to play goalie, like it.

00:34:41.766 --> 00:34:53.804
So at the, at the, at the six, seven, eight, nine year old I mean I've done a junior ranger in the NHL program now for the last five or six years and the quick change gear, I mean we had 16 different kids playing net.

00:34:53.804 --> 00:34:58.367
Now out of those 16 kids during the year, six took to it.

00:34:58.367 --> 00:35:02.646
Like they're like, oh my God, like I never want to, I never want to play anything else.

00:35:02.646 --> 00:35:06.485
Like I love this and that's great, you know, and I think that's where we want to be.

00:35:06.485 --> 00:35:20.461
But you know, I think if you can't get a player to play out you know out as a, as a skater, then at least help them become, you know, getting something different athletically, because I think the the benefits of it are great.

00:35:20.461 --> 00:35:26.219
Obviously we know that right, tennis and golf and soccer and lacrosse, we know that that's that's like.

00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:31.021
If you just don't see that as plain as it is, you probably shouldn't be coaching youth sports.

00:35:31.021 --> 00:35:41.447
Like if you don't actually see that a multi sport kid is just a better kid at the end of the journey, then you're just, you, just I don't know, you're it, just it, it you're.

00:35:41.447 --> 00:35:42.739
You shouldn't be coaching kids.

00:35:42.739 --> 00:35:47.085
But if you're a parent that says my kids are goalie, he loves goalie, that's great.

00:35:47.085 --> 00:35:48.637
You need to kind of.

00:35:48.637 --> 00:35:51.275
You know we we say it all the time leave right when we're talking to everybody.

00:35:51.275 --> 00:35:54.003
My kid loves chocolate but he can't have a chocolate cake every night.

00:35:54.003 --> 00:35:58.717
Like it's something like no chocolate cakes for Friday night, or your son whatever, like you can't just.

00:35:58.757 --> 00:36:02.797
And there's other types of cake, yeah, and there's other.

00:36:02.838 --> 00:36:07.027
At some point you have to be like listen, we want a healthy balance for our players.

00:36:07.027 --> 00:36:08.362
And it sounds like you know, brian.

00:36:08.362 --> 00:36:19.766
I think what the coaching education program has done too is just say listen, we're USA hockey and we're telling you not to play hockey, like you know, like other sports, like no, you must do this, this, this and this.

00:36:19.766 --> 00:36:21.661
And USA hockey is set to standard.

00:36:21.661 --> 00:36:32.221
I mean, there's no, there's not even a question about it that they've set the standard of saying no, no, no, we actually are promoting lacrosse, we're promoting baseball, we want you to play tennis.

00:36:32.221 --> 00:36:41.726
Now, is it a detriment to, you know, rink owners and program directors and maybe, but I want a long-term kid to be playing the sport down the road.

00:36:41.726 --> 00:36:56.186
The only way I'm going to do that is to allow balance in the way we teach, and I think that, if nothing else the bronze program does for non-goal well and goalies right is to say this is how, this is how you become a balanced player.

00:36:56.186 --> 00:37:12.333
And if you could do these other things outside the net and work on proprioception and work on balance and work on agility and work on, you know, using both arms and using your brain, like all that kind of stuff you know helps you down the road and ultimately, it's not the goal.

00:37:12.333 --> 00:37:15.375
Like, if you ask these parents like, well, what's, what's the goal?

00:37:15.375 --> 00:37:19.400
Well, my goal is I want my kid to be the, I want him to be in the NHL, I want him to be the best goalie in the world.

00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:24.385
Okay, Well, if that's really what your goal is, then you, then you would follow this path, not that path.

00:37:24.385 --> 00:37:31.608
So, if anything, if nothing else, the educational piece is allowing people to see it and hear the data.

00:37:31.608 --> 00:37:40.916
Now it's up to you know you've alluded to it right it's up to the coaches that claim their, their pros, to you know, to actually follow those guidelines.

00:37:42.561 --> 00:37:47.233
I'm a huge proponent of hockey players moving away from hockey in the off season.

00:37:47.233 --> 00:37:49.909
Listen, camps in summertime are always going to be there.

00:37:49.909 --> 00:38:08.010
My kid, my son Brody, participated in, I think, three different camps this summer, four or five days on the ice but, like historically, we've always tried to get him out soccer, lacrosse, baseball, whatever sport we can get him away from the rink so that he's not burned out.

00:38:08.010 --> 00:38:21.228
So that when you because that was my biggest thing as a kid I would leave hockey, because there wasn't this year round hockey thing when I was a kid it was like you got done playoffs in, like February and March, and you had a little bit of tryouts and then it was barren.

00:38:21.228 --> 00:38:23.893
There was like the rink shut down, they melted down and it was.

00:38:24.295 --> 00:38:28.101
You know, I might have played street hockey with my friends, but I was on a baseball diamond, you know.

00:38:28.101 --> 00:38:32.940
I was playing basketball, I was playing soccer, you know, and that left me hungry.

00:38:32.940 --> 00:38:42.543
So that when pre-camp started, you know, and I see it in my son too, when we take him away from hockey and he's back into it and it's like it's almost like the flywheel let's loose and he's ready to go again.

00:38:43.701 --> 00:38:57.490
That's what's so ironic about high performing athletes that have come through right Like guys like you and Lee, and the ironic thing is everything that got them to be a high performer is what you are not doing with your kid.

00:38:57.490 --> 00:39:00.226
Like I look at these guys go, you are.

00:39:00.226 --> 00:39:06.942
Every athlete will say that, oh, I played baseball, I played lacrosse, I did this, I never played hockey in the summer and then.

00:39:06.942 --> 00:39:12.226
But then all of us go, yeah, but oh my God, like my kid's going to miss out, like everybody else's kid is doing it.

00:39:12.226 --> 00:39:13.061
I'm like no, no, no.

00:39:13.061 --> 00:39:27.192
That's the reason you're a high performer, that's the reason you got through the gauntlet of this, you know, constant battle of trying to find, you know, can you be a great player and then maintain passion?

00:39:27.192 --> 00:39:33.610
And I think that's where we can do such a great job is to manufacture that passion by taking it away.

00:39:33.771 --> 00:39:36.742
Yeah, right, and like, like it's just why.

00:39:36.742 --> 00:39:39.168
It's why people you know go crazy on Netflix.

00:39:39.168 --> 00:39:46.489
Right, if you sit there and go oh my God, every Wednesday night is my favorite show and they're like dying because you take it away from them and they can't watch it.

00:39:46.489 --> 00:39:49.188
If you showed, if you just showed the shows every night, they're like, oh, I could.

00:39:49.188 --> 00:39:50.563
Just, I don't need to wait.

00:39:50.563 --> 00:39:55.221
You know, I think that's the, that's the, that's that piece, that that drive for these kids.

00:39:55.221 --> 00:40:02.771
Like no, no, you know what, I'm going to hold this back a little bit, I'm going to have you wait a little bit and then we'll start seeing if it's not just for the kids.

00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:04.146
Yeah, brian, you'll laugh at this.

00:40:04.146 --> 00:40:08.208
We did an episode at the end of the season about, like, should my kid play spring hockey, basically?

00:40:08.208 --> 00:40:25.547
And I was the test subject and, and you know, we, we came to the decision that we're going to take a break in the spring and I think not only was that really good for my kids, but it was really good for me and my wife, like you know, because when you're in it, when you're in it every week, every week, you know you kind of get in that routine until you break it.

00:40:25.547 --> 00:40:28.489
You don't realize like man, wow, I really needed, I really needed a break.

00:40:29.581 --> 00:40:32.289
You go, holy crap, I can actually do my lawn this spring.

00:40:32.289 --> 00:40:35.364
I mean, it's so much, I can't believe you know.

00:40:35.425 --> 00:40:38.072
I mean I can go through the list of things I got to do, but it's just like wow.

00:40:38.072 --> 00:40:41.382
And then you know summer summer's a little looser, right, we do like a summer league.

00:40:41.382 --> 00:40:42.889
There's no practices, just games.

00:40:42.889 --> 00:40:51.244
And actually my son, it says, he's in a goal tending camp now, for the first time this summer he's doing proper instruction with goal tending and we're in mid August.

00:40:51.244 --> 00:40:54.871
So I think that that's that's really, really important, yeah.

00:40:54.932 --> 00:40:58.465
And if you've ever listened to us before, right, and this is the first time listening, I'm not again listen.

00:40:58.465 --> 00:41:01.030
I'm not against spring and summer hockey, I'm not even in either.

00:41:01.050 --> 00:41:02.822
I'm not against camps and clinics, and I'm just saying.

00:41:02.822 --> 00:41:04.690
I'm just saying there's a much better.

00:41:04.690 --> 00:41:14.387
What I'm against is, on a Thursday in the summer, you get in a car and you travel seven hours and play 16 games on a weekend and come home Sunday night and say, wow, that was a success.

00:41:14.387 --> 00:41:15.411
I'm like of what?

00:41:15.411 --> 00:41:16.864
Like what was that a success of?

00:41:16.864 --> 00:41:19.347
So again, if you do it once, that's great.

00:41:19.347 --> 00:41:23.990
But what I see, what we're going, and this is listen, I see it in baseball, I see it in there.

00:41:23.990 --> 00:41:28.554
It's like every weekend of every day you know, of every season.

00:41:28.554 --> 00:41:43.074
You're in this constant flux of you know, youth sports and at the end of the day, the players we see succeeding are succeeding anyway.

00:41:43.320 --> 00:41:59.215
And then what we see is the carnage that we're leaving, and I think that's where it's great that the program that you're involved in, brian, and educating not only the technical aspects of goal-tenning but the discussion about what equipment to wear what do you really need?

00:41:59.215 --> 00:42:03.244
Do you need, like you know, do you need this high-level stuff, or can you get away with this?

00:42:03.244 --> 00:42:05.005
Can you get away with equipment that's you know?

00:42:05.005 --> 00:42:06.449
Can you use hand-me-down equipment?

00:42:06.449 --> 00:42:09.949
Is there anything wrong with, you know, using different types of pads?

00:42:09.949 --> 00:42:26.668
Or, you know, do you need the top level of this when your kid is this Like, it's all, that's all that piece of education it allows, you know, I would say the same parent, like the parent that just wants their kid to enjoy sport, an opportunity to enjoy it, and again, the kids that will excel, will excel.

00:42:26.668 --> 00:42:28.083
I just listen, I just.

00:42:28.083 --> 00:42:32.393
I'm a firm believer that if you're going to be that player, you're going to be that player.

00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:33.161
But, Mike.

00:42:33.202 --> 00:42:49.692
I want to add this and, brian, I do want to throw it to you, but this is the, it's just the truth Of any high-level athlete, maybe collegiate to pro, I don't care what position they play, they will kick your ass at any sport you want to play them against because they are athletes.

00:42:49.692 --> 00:42:52.000
They are great athletes, Right.

00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:54.661
They're not just great hockey players, they specialize in hockey.

00:42:54.661 --> 00:42:57.086
But there's not one NHL player.

00:42:57.086 --> 00:43:05.472
That's not an amazing athlete, and you cannot create an amazing, well-rounded athlete if your kid only plays one position or one sport.

00:43:05.472 --> 00:43:07.123
It's just, it's just not possible.

00:43:07.123 --> 00:43:09.248
Sorry, brian, I just had to say that Go ahead.

00:43:10.561 --> 00:43:12.186
I know I I absolutely agree with you.

00:43:12.186 --> 00:43:12.920
It's that's.

00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:13.764
That's a great point.

00:43:13.764 --> 00:43:27.590
I have played hockey with, I have played sports with those kind of athletes where, no matter what you do my best friend, who never played anything more than high school soccer, all right, he's the best all-around athlete I've ever met in my life and the most competitive.

00:43:27.590 --> 00:43:31.108
Like he's the kind of guy where he goes how many points do we need to win?

00:43:31.108 --> 00:43:34.186
That's his famous line and then that's it game over.

00:43:34.186 --> 00:43:41.324
Like you're like doesn't matter what it is soccer, baseball, cornhole, hockey like he was the top guy.

00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:44.561
Every sport we ever played.

00:43:44.561 --> 00:43:49.121
Even now as adults, like, as grown men, like he's the guy that everybody tries to beat.

00:43:49.121 --> 00:43:52.911
But can't, you know, and he was just, he was one of those kind of athletes.

00:43:52.911 --> 00:43:57.811
Now his, his drive was to just get a job and, you know, start making money out of high school.

00:43:57.811 --> 00:43:58.943
So he stopped playing sports.

00:43:58.943 --> 00:44:01.650
But, like you know, that's that's my best.

00:44:01.650 --> 00:44:03.481
Like me personally, that's my best example.

00:44:03.481 --> 00:44:07.170
But like, my son is a better athlete than I ever was.

00:44:07.170 --> 00:44:08.661
He's, you know it.

00:44:08.661 --> 00:44:11.427
Just he's better competitively, mentally.

00:44:11.427 --> 00:44:13.913
He's better, you know, and he's athletically gifted.

00:44:14.059 --> 00:44:22.148
But I had to battle for every level that I gained in that sport, in baseball and hockey, you know I was always the guy that outworked everybody.

00:44:22.148 --> 00:44:24.331
That's the only reason I made it in minor leagues.

00:44:24.331 --> 00:44:26.485
That's the only reason I made it onto a junior team.

00:44:26.485 --> 00:44:30.148
You know, college was a kind of foregone conclusion because they always need goalies.

00:44:30.148 --> 00:44:35.471
But you know I excelled because I outworked other guys.

00:44:35.471 --> 00:44:37.449
Like when I was bouncing around the federal league.

00:44:37.449 --> 00:44:39.780
It was when I came to the team.

00:44:39.780 --> 00:44:47.590
They knew that the starting goalie was either screwing up or on his way out the door, because I was going to either push him to get back into shape or I was going to take his job.

00:44:48.360 --> 00:44:55.340
But my son, on the other hand, and other athletes like him, they're just gifted, they're, they're, they're good at whatever they do Like.

00:44:55.340 --> 00:45:06.284
He started lacrosse a couple of years ago and instantly took to it and there was an instant passion where he's staying an hour after practices over and shooting, you know, on a dark field and all I have is the headlights on.

00:45:06.284 --> 00:45:08.043
He's just like dad, can I stay and shoot around?

00:45:08.043 --> 00:45:09.288
Yeah, sure, no problem.

00:45:09.288 --> 00:45:15.168
You know, when he was at baseball he wanted to go to the diamond and field, you know, as a kid, like a little guy, t-ball.

00:45:15.168 --> 00:45:22.728
They would put him at the pitchers position because they knew he would dive in front of the ball, so it would never get to the infield and he would just throw the kids out.

00:45:22.728 --> 00:45:25.286
At first he wasn't afraid to throw himself in front of the ball.

00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:28.246
You can't teach that kind of athleticism.

00:45:28.246 --> 00:45:31.809
That's just inherent to the kid, you know, or to the athlete.

00:45:31.809 --> 00:45:37.561
You can only kind of cultivate that and mold it and encourage it, but you can't burn it out.

00:45:37.561 --> 00:45:44.889
And that's one thing I was always afraid of when my kids started playing sports and with any athlete that I coach, I don't want to see them burn out.

00:45:44.889 --> 00:45:49.190
If a kid has a true passion for the game, they're going to want to be there no matter what.

00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:52.471
But you also have to kind of almost counsel the parents.

00:45:52.471 --> 00:45:58.030
Like you can't be at the rink 24 hours a day, seven days a week, because the kid's never going to last.

00:45:58.030 --> 00:46:16.954
You know, I always use the adage that, like there are NHL players that make it to the NHL that didn't start playing hockey until freshman year of high school, if your kid, from the age of six years old until they're 17, is in the rank 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year, they're not gonna make it.

00:46:16.954 --> 00:46:23.313
And if they do, they're part of a fraction of a percentage of human beings that were able to stick that out.

00:46:23.313 --> 00:46:31.313
But, like to Mike's point, you start seeing the detrimental effects of that kind of specialization and overwork.

00:46:31.313 --> 00:46:32.797
From doing that.

00:46:32.797 --> 00:46:36.409
You have to give the body a rest, like in the summer.

00:46:36.530 --> 00:46:41.309
I pull my kid away from sports at different times during the summer, but for weeks at a time.

00:46:41.309 --> 00:46:50.795
I don't want him to do anything other than just chill out, hang out with his friends, play video games and just rest, because the season is such a grind and the training.

00:46:50.795 --> 00:46:58.009
He's on the ice two days a week and then two or three times every weekend and God forbid, they place for his travel team and a high school team.

00:46:58.009 --> 00:47:07.012
Now he's on the ice that much more and if he wants to do it, I will let him do it and he finishes the commitments that he starts.

00:47:07.012 --> 00:47:16.751
Sometimes we've gotten to the point where we're like, all right, we don't want to do this anymore, because we started it and then it became not fun, so we're going to finish it out and then not go back.

00:47:16.751 --> 00:47:18.659
Right, you know, we did it with soccer.

00:47:19.005 --> 00:47:20.590
The key there, you said, is finish it out.

00:47:20.590 --> 00:47:25.387
I always like to point on that, because if you make a commitment, as you just said, you finish.

00:47:25.387 --> 00:47:30.315
You don't quit mid season on your team barring nothing you know serious is going on right.

00:47:30.315 --> 00:47:33.931
You finish what you started and then the next season you make that decision.

00:47:33.931 --> 00:47:38.393
I think that that's a really valuable lesson for everybody, in every position and every sport.

00:47:38.393 --> 00:47:39.393
I don't think it's limited to hockey.

00:47:40.724 --> 00:47:58.572
No and Brian like you know, in your point of you know that you're in hindsight, right, you're looking at it from the view of, like I just have all the statistics in front of me Like it's going to be very difficult for your kid not to burn out when you're six to seven to eight years old and you're at the rink every morning at 5 am and you're dragging them there and they love it.

00:47:58.572 --> 00:47:59.849
Right, my kid loves it.

00:47:59.849 --> 00:48:03.094
Yeah, I get it, you know, and I see that all the time.

00:48:03.094 --> 00:48:15.289
But I think and the problem is all of us as parents, that 1%, I think our kids, the 1%, like everybody's kid is that kid and I said, oh no, no, I get it.

00:48:15.289 --> 00:48:18.130
Like those parents over there, they probably shouldn't be doing this.

00:48:18.130 --> 00:48:19.570
This is way too much for their kid.

00:48:19.570 --> 00:48:21.389
Like that kid's going to burn out.

00:48:21.650 --> 00:48:22.313
Well, what about your kid?

00:48:22.313 --> 00:48:22.971
He's here at the same.

00:48:22.971 --> 00:48:27.766
Like when I left, when I walked into the rink, and it was like Jesus, I see you all the time I go.

00:48:27.766 --> 00:48:29.192
Yeah, I know, but I'm working.

00:48:29.192 --> 00:48:36.192
Like you're here getting lessons every day, like I'm here with a different kid every day.

00:48:36.192 --> 00:48:48.552
You're here every day with your kid and I've actually I've kind of taken a I want to say a muted tone to that parent because I almost feel just bad, like I'm just like well, no, I get it.

00:48:48.644 --> 00:48:52.731
You think that your kid's going to be the next kid that's going to make it.

00:48:52.731 --> 00:48:55.711
That's fine, I mean, there's nothing you can do to combat that.

00:48:55.711 --> 00:49:12.452
But the statistics and history is not on your side and, a matter of fact, you know, I think most of us would know that, even you know, even if you took the kids out, they're still going to succeed, they're still going to be the best player and just to have that balance in life.

00:49:12.452 --> 00:49:17.610
And Lee, we right, we taught on all the different podcasts episodes that we have.

00:49:17.610 --> 00:49:27.590
We talked to so many professional athletes that had such a horrible youth experience and just fell up and people were like, yeah, I know, but he made it to the NHL.

00:49:27.590 --> 00:49:34.335
Like I know his dad was a tyrant and I know he skated every day and I know parents made him shoot 500 pucks a day.

00:49:34.905 --> 00:49:37.925
I don't, you know, I don't care, because he made it I go.

00:49:37.925 --> 00:49:39.711
Well, I don't know, talk to those athletes see if they've made it.

00:49:39.751 --> 00:49:40.594
Well, I, how about this?

00:49:40.594 --> 00:49:44.184
Those athletes are spending a majority of their time now trying to make sure that doesn't happen to other kids.

00:49:44.184 --> 00:49:47.293
I mean, that should tell you something right there about how traumatized that they were.

00:49:47.293 --> 00:49:48.797
Right, right, right right.

00:49:48.817 --> 00:49:56.592
There's so many different paths, but I think the biggest thing is just saying you know, a well-rounded kid is a better kid for any coach, any college, any junior program.

00:49:56.592 --> 00:50:02.485
You know a player again, unless you can score 90 goals, you know, like you know, you don't need to be well-rounded If you're going to score 90 goals.

00:50:02.585 --> 00:50:32.034
I don't care if you're an ass you know, just keep, just keep scoring goals first, but I think that the but the other day, people, you know, parents, have to see that the more I can do for my kid to be a well-rounded individual and mentally tough and gritty and and have an opportunity to, you know, be a great teammate, that that is going to, you know, propel that person more later on, when it really matters, than than than this like you think you're coaching a person here.

00:50:32.606 --> 00:50:43.353
Like again, I keep reiterating this on the show we're not just making hockey players as coaches, you're making people, and the better you can make a person, most likely they're going to become a better player as well.

00:50:43.353 --> 00:50:46.273
You know, and and Mike, you're bringing up a lot of good points.

00:50:46.273 --> 00:50:50.452
Like, a lot of people listen to this show a lot of people, and we thank all of you, by the way.

00:50:50.452 --> 00:50:58.373
But Mike, the parent you're talking about, who thinks their kid's making the, the, the chell, probably isn't listening and you know that is what it is.

00:50:58.373 --> 00:51:13.728
But I think this I think a majority of parents out there are pretty good parents and I think that's the reason the show's had success is because we just kind of gave a voice to people that, like you know, we get that 10% crazy parent stuff on our news feeds of people hitting refs on the head and running on the ice.

00:51:13.728 --> 00:51:15.992
Sure, there's most hockey parents aren't like that.

00:51:15.992 --> 00:51:17.130
You know they want to know what's best.

00:51:17.346 --> 00:51:17.650
No, no, no.

00:51:17.650 --> 00:51:20.905
95% of the great parents, and that's why you do this every day, right, brian?

00:51:20.905 --> 00:51:22.039
I mean you're dealing with?

00:51:22.039 --> 00:51:31.315
You're dealing with how many goalies every year that you personally mentor, right, and you're like okay, well, out of, out of 100 of the kids I work with, 96 of the parents are great.

00:51:31.315 --> 00:51:38.733
It's it's, it's the it's the it's those couple that drive us all crazy and drive you to Monday morning podcasting really.

00:51:40.972 --> 00:51:42.505
This is therapy, brian?

00:51:42.505 --> 00:51:43.871
I want to ask this question too.

00:51:43.871 --> 00:51:44.668
I get a.

00:51:44.668 --> 00:51:49.108
Just a couple of them will let you get to bed for those of you listening, but Brian did a full night shift before doing this episode.

00:51:49.108 --> 00:51:59.233
But I always like to talk about the mental side of the game and I know that mentality and mental strength, mental fitness coaching has become part of hockey as a whole.

00:51:59.233 --> 00:52:02.695
But specifically goal tenders really need this.

00:52:02.695 --> 00:52:07.030
It is a high stress position all the time, no matter when you started.

00:52:07.030 --> 00:52:16.230
So I'm just curious on your thoughts about you know how we can better incorporate mental fitness training for goal tenders, how important it is and what we're we need to do now as coaches to make sure that's part of our regime.

00:52:17.965 --> 00:52:21.396
So it's the mental side of the game.

00:52:21.396 --> 00:52:26.556
Thank God has had so much light shed on it in the last 15 years.

00:52:26.556 --> 00:52:32.608
There's there's a I think there's like a 550% uptick, and how much?

00:52:32.608 --> 00:52:36.137
How many programs are now incorporating that on?

00:52:36.137 --> 00:52:54.233
They're both their coaches centering in on that, or some of the higher level teams bringing in mental, mental coaches, whether it's, you know, having a therapist there or just a sports centric, meant, you know, to help with the mental side of the game in goal tending.

00:52:54.233 --> 00:53:05.271
I wish I could say it was just a robotic equation and it's just, you know, leave the goal behind and start anew, cause like that's one of the.

00:53:05.271 --> 00:53:06.666
So I will.

00:53:06.666 --> 00:53:18.632
I will, admittedly, throw myself on the on the cross and say I was that lunatic parent when my kid first started playing goal tender, because I had no idea how to do that.

00:53:18.632 --> 00:53:24.554
I didn't know that you weren't supposed to yell and I didn't know that you weren't supposed to scream at your kid.

00:53:24.554 --> 00:53:30.070
Because you have a higher knowledge of the game and they should know because you've been talking to and they've been exposed to it their entire life.

00:53:30.070 --> 00:53:31.369
That's not how it works.

00:53:33.105 --> 00:53:35.293
Goal tending is extremely individual.

00:53:35.293 --> 00:53:46.610
You're going to have some kids that work so hard at the mental side of the game and I mean, like the one of the greatest comparisons I ever saw to the mental side of the game was Mike Richter versus Marty Brodor.

00:53:46.610 --> 00:53:54.847
And Mike Richter was very concentrated and very serious and he didn't want to talk to anybody during games or before games.

00:53:54.847 --> 00:53:56.192
And he was.

00:53:56.192 --> 00:54:08.134
He was kind of a lunatic in practices and pregame, like he didn't want to deal with anybody, he didn't want to talk to nobody, whereas Marty Brodor is doing interviews and he's laughing and he's very jovial and very relaxed and calm.

00:54:08.134 --> 00:54:12.996
And you just see that dichotomy between, like goal tenders.

00:54:12.996 --> 00:54:17.652
You're going to have some kids that just the mental side of the game comes very easy to them.

00:54:17.925 --> 00:54:20.614
Letting gold, having goldfish moments, is what I call it.

00:54:20.614 --> 00:54:24.188
Ted Lasso kind of pioneered that we made it very popular.

00:54:24.188 --> 00:54:31.590
But I was I kind of used that analogy early on when I started coaching saying you got to be like a goldfish man, you got to have a goldfish member.

00:54:31.590 --> 00:54:34.206
It's only 10 seconds you let up a goal.

00:54:34.206 --> 00:54:37.836
Goalies need to reset program when they let up a goal.

00:54:37.836 --> 00:54:45.672
It doesn't have to be a long drawn out like ritual where they're grabbing a voodoo doll and all this other stuff.

00:54:45.672 --> 00:54:47.231
It can be as simple as Carter Hart.

00:54:47.231 --> 00:54:54.650
Carter Hart's reset when he lets up a goal or a play doesn't go very well is he grabs his water bottle him and Braden Holpe.

00:54:54.650 --> 00:55:00.289
They grab their water bottle, they throw water, they shoot water up in the air, they catch one droplet with their eye and they watch it all the way to the ice.

00:55:00.289 --> 00:55:02.413
And that's as long as they have to worry about it.

00:55:02.413 --> 00:55:04.853
And as soon as it hits the ice, that thought is gone.

00:55:04.853 --> 00:55:06.068
That goal didn't happen.

00:55:06.068 --> 00:55:06.871
It's behind them.

00:55:06.871 --> 00:55:11.753
My son, he developed his own.

00:55:11.753 --> 00:55:19.708
It's kind of like he gets up, he gets into position, he gets set, he kind of jiggles his feet a little bit and he smacks his stick down onto the ice in a ready position.

00:55:19.708 --> 00:55:21.971
And that's when I know his mind's clear.

00:55:21.971 --> 00:55:25.833
I told him it's not my reset, it's yours.

00:55:26.085 --> 00:55:29.010
You have to come up with your own kind of mental side of the game.

00:55:29.010 --> 00:55:31.351
Pre-game prep is huge.

00:55:31.351 --> 00:55:48.695
Having a system you'll see every NHL player, every AHL player, every high level athlete has their own kind of ritual pre-game that gets there, because as a goal tender you can't go in frazzled, you can't go in with your mind going a million miles a minute.

00:55:48.695 --> 00:55:59.432
And that's not to downplay the advantage some kids have with ADHD, where they can pay attention to everything on the ice at once versus honing in and focusing on one spot.

00:55:59.432 --> 00:56:04.548
That's just, if your brain's somewhere else, you're not going to perform well.

00:56:04.548 --> 00:56:26.048
If there's something going on at home, your grades aren't going where they should be, you're fighting with your brother or sister or there's some other things going on, or maybe you and your goalie partner aren't getting along, you're not in sync, or your personality's clashed, or you're fighting with somebody on the team, or the coach has been really beating on you in practice, really hammering you.

00:56:26.048 --> 00:56:32.550
It doesn't make for a solid goal-tending foundation, because that's where everything starts, is the mental side of the game.

00:56:32.724 --> 00:56:38.773
When you wake up in the morning, you've really you've got to work hard to get yourself out of a funk.

00:56:38.773 --> 00:56:47.471
If you wake up ready to go, you're ready to go, and if you can keep that train going on the same track, you're going to be successful on the ice.

00:56:47.471 --> 00:56:59.976
It's when you start derailing and going off on tangents because this was distracting or this didn't go right, or there's been goalies that have had wild.

00:56:59.976 --> 00:57:02.972
I mean my partner when I played in Danbury.

00:57:02.972 --> 00:57:16.715
He had to have a cup of black coffee before the game at lunch and he had to eat a half a bowl of pasta and then he had to put his stuff on left to right and if it didn't happen that way, you never saw a meltdown.

00:57:16.715 --> 00:57:19.885
I've seen meltdowns Wow.

00:57:21.244 --> 00:57:28.969
But being able to have that mental toughness where, like you, come in halfway through the season, ok, I'm going to walk in an hour early.

00:57:28.969 --> 00:57:30.972
I'm going to get my hand-eye coordination going.

00:57:30.972 --> 00:57:32.490
I'm going to go out and warm up with my team.

00:57:32.490 --> 00:57:40.269
I'm going to come back in and maybe the kid talks, maybe he jokes around, gets himself dressed, gets himself ready, boom, he's ready to go for the game.

00:57:40.269 --> 00:57:41.827
He's nice and relaxed, he's moving around.

00:57:41.827 --> 00:57:43.007
There's other kids.

00:57:43.007 --> 00:57:44.489
I don't want to talk to nobody.

00:57:44.489 --> 00:57:50.052
I got my headphones on, I'm getting concentrated, I'm going to get my gear on and when the coach comes in to talk to us I pull them off.

00:57:50.052 --> 00:57:51.570
I'm ready to go for the game.

00:57:51.570 --> 00:57:52.246
You know what I mean.

00:57:52.246 --> 00:58:02.871
It doesn't always have to be that psychotic, like we got to punch Jerry in the jockstrap before the game because that worked and he got a shutout two weeks ago because of it.

00:58:05.369 --> 00:58:08.630
It's so important, and not just with goal-tuning, with all aspects of the game.

00:58:08.630 --> 00:58:10.608
Now Four words defensemen.

00:58:10.608 --> 00:58:21.550
They all have different aspects of that mental game where these coaches are coming in and they're trying to help them break through slumps, they're trying to keep them on hot streaks.

00:58:21.550 --> 00:58:48.150
It's leaps and bounds, what it was years ago when I was playing and it's only benefiting the players now and coaches kind of dipping their toes into that so that they can keep their kids on that right track, that mainline track towards winning and developing and becoming better hockey players and more well-rounded athletes and student athletes is my most important trigger word is because they are student athletes.

00:58:48.150 --> 00:59:05.835
That's one small piece to being a great coach and helping these kids develop in a major way that's going to benefit them for the rest of their life Because those well-rounded athletes going to be well-rounded goal-workers and well-rounded bosses and just as people.

00:59:05.835 --> 00:59:11.869
So I just I kind of got off on a tangent there because it's like I'm trying to.

00:59:12.184 --> 00:59:12.467
Oh great.

00:59:14.347 --> 00:59:20.715
Touch on how the mental side of the game is developed and it's grown so in a good way for hockey and other sports.

00:59:20.715 --> 00:59:25.971
But for goal-tending it's just you have to have your own system.

00:59:25.971 --> 00:59:39.313
It can't be cookie-cuttered from somebody else If the kid likes the thing that Braden Hopi and Carter Hart does, or if you from an older generation if getting a Bacos, pre-game rituals or Mark Andre Flurry just kind of fooling around.

00:59:39.313 --> 00:59:42.112
I could go on forever.

00:59:42.112 --> 00:59:49.632
But they have to develop their own system to keep their mental health in a game in a good place.

00:59:49.632 --> 00:59:51.989
It can't be somebody else's.

00:59:51.989 --> 00:59:57.172
The parents can't tell them what to do, the coaches can't beat it into them.

00:59:57.172 --> 00:59:57.947
It's kind of.

00:59:57.947 --> 01:00:07.871
You have to help them cultivate their own little mental fortress that keeps them pretty much sane in the crazy grind of that hockey season.

01:00:09.135 --> 01:00:09.936
That's a great point.

01:00:09.936 --> 01:00:12.313
I think also you're alluding to it.

01:00:12.313 --> 01:00:17.871
You can't get inside someone else's head, even if it's your own son or daughter, like they are in their head.

01:00:17.871 --> 01:00:19.090
They have to figure this out.

01:00:19.090 --> 01:00:28.490
You can give them tools or, braden, something I remember you saying from the course not just with mental stuff, but also just the physical movement of a goal-tending you can borrow from a goalie.

01:00:29.105 --> 01:00:36.289
But if a goalie and again, we can create this mentally in a second if a goalie's six-five and you're five-nine, borrow what you need.

01:00:36.289 --> 01:00:43.108
But you're not six-five, you have to find a style that works for you, and I think you can take that metaphor beyond just hockey.

01:00:43.108 --> 01:00:45.672
Right, like you're in your body, you're in your mind.

01:00:45.672 --> 01:00:46.829
You got to find what works for you.

01:00:46.829 --> 01:00:50.851
So borrow what you can learn and make your own path with it.

01:00:50.851 --> 01:00:53.425
I mean, that was a big takeaway for me from that course as well.

01:00:53.425 --> 01:00:57.179
I didn't say that earlier, it was just that there's no one way to play goalie.

01:00:57.179 --> 01:01:06.855
You know, there's no three ways to play goalie, there's six million ways to play goalie and we each have to kind of figure that out on our own and then evolve over time.

01:01:08.862 --> 01:01:31.708
I told you in the in the course that when I tell kids to pick a goalie that they like, it's not that I want them to emulate them carbon copy, it's I want you to pick things that you like about their game and we can work on why that would strengthen your game and why you can't do that because and I said this in the course every single NHL goaltender is a freak of nature.

01:01:31.708 --> 01:01:39.793
There are some that are more, there are some that are a little bit closer to us, normal human beings and mortals, but like guys, like Jonathan quick.

01:01:39.793 --> 01:01:46.186
I tell my kids all the time you cannot be him, you cannot be Jonathan quick, you cannot be Ben Bishop.

01:01:46.186 --> 01:01:50.407
You can't teach size, you can't teach that kind of flexibility.

01:01:50.407 --> 01:01:51.943
You can get flexible.

01:01:51.943 --> 01:01:57.284
But Jonathan quick's body is built in such a way and he has no hip impingement whatsoever.

01:01:57.284 --> 01:02:08.731
But again, the long term effects of him playing that style were detrimental to his career towards the end he's he's had hip surgeries and it's it's it's hurting him in the long run.

01:02:08.731 --> 01:02:13.635
You know he's not as fast as used to be into that split just because.

01:02:14.016 --> 01:02:18.699
But when I watch these kids try and do that straddle split as a part of their game and like they make that same.

01:02:18.699 --> 01:02:19.041
Like what?

01:02:19.041 --> 01:02:23.284
Now you're done, you're, you're, you're there, you have nothing left.

01:02:23.284 --> 01:02:25.505
You've sold your best save.

01:02:25.505 --> 01:02:26.851
That should be on.

01:02:26.851 --> 01:02:30.666
That should be like a one, one time or save, or a breakaway save.

01:02:30.666 --> 01:02:36.105
We've now spent that save on a rudimentary shot that you kicked out to the slot and they're going to bury over top of you.

01:02:36.739 --> 01:02:43.423
So yes to your point take what you can and learn that you can't mimic certain things about those goalies.

01:02:43.423 --> 01:02:55.389
You know, ben Bishop, six foot seven on skates, or you know, however tall you, that monstrous human being can't teach that that's an inherent gift of genetics that he uses to his advantage.

01:02:55.389 --> 01:02:58.541
You can't make a kid that big they can.

01:02:58.541 --> 01:03:00.989
You can see a small kid play that big.

01:03:00.989 --> 01:03:05.231
It appears to play that big because he uses his angles, his depth and everything correctly.

01:03:05.231 --> 01:03:09.175
But that that inside on the goal line, being that big, that's a gift.

01:03:09.175 --> 01:03:11.041
You know that Ben Bishop uses that.

01:03:11.041 --> 01:03:12.346
That's not going to happen for a kid.

01:03:12.346 --> 01:03:13.088
That's five, five.

01:03:13.088 --> 01:03:15.663
So that's, that's an absolute.

01:03:15.663 --> 01:03:18.668
I'm so glad you took that away from the course because I try and teach.

01:03:18.789 --> 01:03:20.052
I try, I took so much.

01:03:20.052 --> 01:03:22.445
Yeah, I know that I believe it was you.

01:03:22.445 --> 01:03:25.384
You're the one who told me about the hands awake thing Was that you?

01:03:25.925 --> 01:03:28.108
Yeah, not the hands, those of you listening.

01:03:28.108 --> 01:03:30.911
Yeah, not back here, right, unless you're in tight.

01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:40.697
My, like most young goaltenders, my son was kind of resting his glove on his leg a little bit and again, just to show you how impactful this was one you had mentioned.

01:03:40.697 --> 01:03:43.826
That's a normal place for your hands to be, it's a comfortable place for your hands to be.

01:03:43.826 --> 01:03:46.746
And then you know he, Brian, is struggling this.

01:03:46.746 --> 01:03:49.483
Like I was telling my son, like no, you want to have your glove up.

01:03:49.483 --> 01:03:52.282
And like you know I was telling him the right thing, but it wasn't.

01:03:52.282 --> 01:03:54.706
It wasn't computing, so I had to find a different way to say it.

01:03:54.706 --> 01:03:56.686
And you, you said hands awake or hands active.

01:03:56.686 --> 01:04:03.509
I started telling him that and it's funny, right in the game for those of you watching again, he's just hit the go right up like that totally worked for him, Right?

01:04:03.509 --> 01:04:06.047
So this is also why we need to share information.

01:04:06.047 --> 01:04:11.025
This is also why we need to take these courses and teach these courses and find different things that work for each other.

01:04:11.139 --> 01:04:12.585
We all have a kid.

01:04:12.585 --> 01:04:14.570
It's at one point that's just not going to.

01:04:14.570 --> 01:04:15.416
You said this before.

01:04:15.416 --> 01:04:20.442
It doesn't matter how much you know, they're not going to listen to you because your dad or your mom, and that's just the way it is.

01:04:20.442 --> 01:04:21.784
Sometimes my kid yeah.

01:04:21.985 --> 01:04:27.007
That's my kid Right, because he thinks that I yell because I'm loud.

01:04:27.007 --> 01:04:37.088
I'm a coach, your dad, but I'm dad, and, and unless there's other kids out there to where he feels like he's in the mix, I can't do one on one with them because he thinks I'm yelling at him.

01:04:37.088 --> 01:04:43.626
So what I do is I tell other coaches this is what you need to do, and then they go do it and I focus on somebody else that's on the ice.

01:04:43.900 --> 01:04:46.105
We tag team are kids that practice a lot.

01:04:46.105 --> 01:04:48.451
But I'll tell you, we all go through that.

01:04:48.451 --> 01:04:49.152
I go through that.

01:04:49.152 --> 01:04:49.882
In fact.

01:04:49.882 --> 01:04:58.989
It is so hard All you listening know is so hard when you're knowledgeable to not try and help Because you they can't comprehend how much you love them and that you want to help them.

01:04:58.989 --> 01:05:01.686
Yet they will one day, hopefully.

01:05:01.686 --> 01:05:07.244
But I wanted to ask this this last question here, mike, if you have another one, please, please, jump in at the end here.

01:05:07.244 --> 01:05:13.847
But I saw this in your bio that you're the president of the Camden County Warriors, which is a charitable hockey team of first responders.

01:05:13.847 --> 01:05:22.391
I wanted to give you an opportunity to talk about that group a little bit, at minimum, just to get you a clip you can share with the guys and say you see, I'm doing my job, I'm doing my job.

01:05:22.391 --> 01:05:25.306
No, but tell us a little bit of that, that organization.

01:05:26.599 --> 01:05:31.530
So I've been a firefighter and an EMT since 2006.

01:05:31.530 --> 01:05:48.146
And I'm full time EMT and I'm a volunteer in my town and I was contacted by a Delaware Port Authority cop that heard I was a goalie and he's like, hey, man, you're, you're, you're a firefighter, right?

01:05:48.146 --> 01:05:49.010
I'm like, yeah, he's ma'am.

01:05:49.010 --> 01:05:50.326
I'm trying to put this team together.

01:05:50.326 --> 01:06:04.391
This is back in 2013 and you know we got an initial group of guys together and we were just playing Friday afternoon games against other public safety teams State police you know, atlantic City police and fire had a team.

01:06:04.391 --> 01:06:07.045
Just whenever we could get against you know, jump.

01:06:07.045 --> 01:06:09.530
And then it it started to build.

01:06:09.530 --> 01:06:12.367
It was like, hey, why don't we try and raise money?

01:06:12.367 --> 01:06:16.222
You know, you know this person got hurt or, unfortunately, you know he had a line of duty death.

01:06:16.222 --> 01:06:18.304
Let's try and raise some money for the family.

01:06:18.304 --> 01:06:22.568
And it's over the last 10 years it's grown.

01:06:23.199 --> 01:06:32.248
We went during COVID, we established a board and we hit all our requirements to become an actual 501 C3 charitable organization.

01:06:32.248 --> 01:06:35.686
We do fundraisers with the state police.

01:06:35.686 --> 01:06:54.847
Every year we go to the heroes cup up in Massachusetts and compete against other police and fire teams, first responders, military from all over North America and you know our first iteration of the board.

01:06:54.847 --> 01:06:56.632
I was elected president, I was reelected.

01:06:56.632 --> 01:07:01.891
I since stepped, stepped down and my vice president took over still involved.

01:07:01.891 --> 01:07:06.291
The guys are doing fantastic work in the community.

01:07:06.291 --> 01:07:10.909
We're raising funds for fallen first responder funds.

01:07:10.909 --> 01:07:12.521
You know we have a.

01:07:12.521 --> 01:07:19.027
We actually have a charity tournament this weekend called check and for charity in Voorhees at the Flyers training center that we compete in every year.

01:07:19.027 --> 01:07:23.530
We don't always do as well because the competition in that tournament is really high.

01:07:23.530 --> 01:07:31.125
They actually have a pro am division in this tournament that we get some NHL players in, but it's the winning.

01:07:31.125 --> 01:07:43.472
The hockey games is not the focus, it's raising money for the organizations that we try and benefit for that and it's been an amazing experience with these guys and their family to me.

01:07:43.472 --> 01:07:50.840
These guys are there and you know we use that term a lot brothers and sisters in the first responder community but they really are they.

01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:50.940
They.

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They have gotten me through tough times.

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You know we've been there for each other and it's a great support group to have in.

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Our line of work is to have that outlet and play, you know, this great game with other people that understand what you go through day in and day out at work and be able to help other people.

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And it's, it's, it's an amazing opportunity for me to be you know, not only just the, you know the president of the organization when we first founded the 501 C3 and been there since the very beginning of the team.

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But just see how much we've grown.

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We went from, I think, like 22 people to we're like on, we're, we're, we're getting close to 75, almost a hundred members.

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We're actually splitting teams up to talent level.

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We have our like, our a division, which is our guys that all played like either minor leagues or juniors or whatever, and we go and play against the FDNY, the NYPD, boston fire, the, the FBI teams you know like, and we try and always couple it with some kind of charitable donation.

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So, yeah, we have a game coming up in October that benefits the McCausland fund.

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He's a firefighter, firefighter, police officer in the area and we lost McCausland a couple of years ago and his family started this fund for victims of a line of duty suicide and we just, you know, we want to raise as much money for as many people as we can help and, you know, sometimes we spread ourselves too thin, but we don't really mind, we like doing good for the.

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You know it's what we do.

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We want to help people.

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It's why we got into this line of work and we, we all, love it and it's it's even more fun when you deal with friends, and that's exactly what these guys have become to me.

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They're all friends of my.

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They're, they're, they're my family.

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You know my kid knows all of them.

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You know he's a little Santora and you know he sometimes jumps out there in net when we play, you know, games, just during warmups, to kind of like be in with the guys and it's it's.

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It's a great organization and I can't wait to see what the future holds.

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Ten years is.

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We've brought a lot of change and we've done a lot of good for a lot of people and I hope, I hope that we get to keep doing that.

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It just shows you everybody listening to him Brian, I applaud you on all your work with that and everybody involved that the hockey community goes well beyond just youth sports right, and that the we talk a lot about the ROI of youth hockey on this show and that it's not making a collegiate division one team.

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It's the type of person that you become and you're an upstanding person here, not not just your work in the game, your work outside the game and what you do with first responders.

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So thank you for that, just as a parent and as a citizen, all the work that you do.

01:10:41.063 --> 01:10:41.984
Yeah, it's, it's.

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I love this game.

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I fell in love with this game as a little kid and I've participated in pretty much every aspect that you can participate in this game and I love it.

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There's no point.

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There are times where I get tired, there's times where I kind of get burned out and worn out, and but when I step away for even a couple of days, I find myself right back into it.

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I'm watching videos, I'm at the rink watching other people play.

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You know.

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I'm checking in on students that I have hey, how's your summer going?

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You know I'm coaching on tournament teams, you know, and I'm helping USA hockey.

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And if I can create better players and when I say better players I mean better people from this game and I can show them how great this game can be and how much you can fall in love with it, then I'm doing my part to return what I've gotten from this game.

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I've gotten so much from this game I could never repay the sport enough, but I've done my part to try, and you know, whether it's officiating games or participating with sled hockey or special needs hockey or, you know, first responder military vets, you know, whatever I can do to give time back.

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You know it's given me so much and I can never repay the sport for what I've gotten from it.

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So if I, you know, I'll keep doing it and, like I've told people before, you know, when the day comes that I can't carry my bag in, I won't play anymore, but I won't leave the sport.

01:12:07.981 --> 01:12:09.546
Well, brian, let me tell you something.

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You're doing it and, again, I'm a big leader.

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You got to send the elevator back down and you're sending it down for a lot of people, and that's really, at the end of the day, what makes the game so great.

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Right, it's always the people you deal with, and I understand the sentiments of that and one of the reasons I wanted to have you on.

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I got that feeling from you from the second you started speaking at that course.

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So, mike, do you have anything else?

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I didn't want to, I didn't want to not touch on you one more time.

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No, no, we're good.

01:12:34.579 --> 01:12:35.985
I mean it's a great conversation.

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I think you know having an opportunity to hear more about the coaching program and the goalie side of it and just you know, hearing different perspectives from a player.

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you know ex-player, current player, actually right and you know a father, a coach, a developer With a sick handlebar mustache, by the way, for those of you who listen, I do want to bring some light to that Awesome yeah.

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So, and again, obviously, usahockeycom, if you're interested in learning more about these goal-tending courses.

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If you're a coach, you find them in the same place.

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You find all of the courses I'm saying as someone who took it highly, highly recommend it all.

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Right, if you're a coach and you're serious about being a coach whether you are a dad or a mom stepping into the game for the first time because your kid's doing it, or you're a top level coach I highly recommend you get involved in this program because you have great instructors, like Brandon Santora and his friends that were there as well.

01:13:25.210 --> 01:13:26.867
So, brian, thanks so much for being here today.

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This was a fantastic episode.

01:13:29.279 --> 01:13:30.404
Thank you very much for having me.

01:13:30.404 --> 01:13:33.067
It's been awesome talking to you guys and everybody.

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You are welcome to our courses.

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You are welcome to the bronze level courses.

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I invite everybody to come out and geek out with me at this course because you can.

01:13:42.993 --> 01:13:44.143
You can attest to this, lee.

01:13:44.143 --> 01:13:46.244
I ran off a couple of times.

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I enjoyed those times.

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I had fun when you were on.

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It's my favorite thing.

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So if anybody parents, coaches take the course, it's not going to do anything but benefit you.

01:13:59.739 --> 01:14:00.583
Yeah, totally agree.

01:14:00.583 --> 01:14:03.729
So that's going to do it for this edition of Our Kids Play Goalie.

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Yeah, you can listen to Our Kids Play Goalie.

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01:14:20.743 --> 01:14:25.168
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