June 15, 2024

Our Kids Play Goalie: Goalie Development and Coaching Insights with Coach Brian Daccord

Apple Podcasts podcast player icon Spotify podcast player icon RSS Feed podcast player icon
Apple Podcasts podcast player icon Spotify podcast player icon RSS Feed podcast player icon
Season 1 Our Kids Play Goalie

In this week's episode of “Our Kids Play Goalie,” Lee Elias and Mike Bonelli sit down with Brian Daccord, goaltending coach for Boston University. Brian’s illustrious career includes coaching stints with the Boston Bruins, Arizona Coyotes, and Toronto Maple Leafs, as well as winning a German championship in 2015. He is also the founder of Stop It Goaltending and the Director of Goaltending Development at Sense Arena. Brian shares his wealth of knowledge and personal experiences, including insights from his books “Hockey Goaltending” and “How to Be a Goalie Parent,” and stories about his son Joey Daccord, a starting goaltender for the Seattle Kraken.

Key Topics Covered:

•Goaltending Journey: Brian’s inspiring journey from outdoor rinks in Montreal to coaching at the highest levels of hockey.

•Importance of Self-Advocacy: Encouraging young goaltenders to advocate for themselves and communicate effectively with coaches.

•Innovative Training Techniques: Insights into the development and benefits of Sensorena VR training for goaltenders.

•Goaltending Philosophy: The value of environment over level and the importance of passion and resilience in a goaltender’s career.

•Practical Advice for Parents: Guidance on supporting young goaltenders, including tips on decision-making and communication.

Memorable Quotes:

•“Every shot is a chance to get better. There’s a big difference between reading a release in practice and reading a play in a game with real consequences.” - Brian Daccord

•“We have to practice at a higher level. You can’t practice at the pace of the level you’re playing at. You want to play at a high level, let’s play at a higher pace.” - Brian Daccord

Brian’s expert advice on goaltending offers a comprehensive guide for young athletes and their parents. His emphasis on environment, passion, and innovative training methods like Sense Arena provides valuable insights for goaltenders at all levels. This episode is packed with practical tips and inspiring stories that will resonate with anyone involved in youth hockey.

Don’t miss this insightful conversation with Brian Daccord. Subscribe to “Our Kids Play Hockey” on your favorite podcast platform and visit ourkidsplayhockey.com for more episodes and updates.

Text The Our Kids Play Hockey Team!

 We're powered by NHL Sense Arena!

NHL Sense Arena, is a virtual reality training game designed specifically to improve hockey sense and IQ for both players and goalies. Experience the next generation of off-ice training in VR with over 100+ drills and training plans curated from top coaches and players.

Use Code "HockeyNeverStops" at Hockey.SenseArena.com to score $50 off an annual plan!

Have A Topic You Want Us To Cover? Let us know!

Please Be Sure To Subscribe & Leave A Review For Us On Apple Podcasts, doing so helps our show grow!

Follow Us On Social Media:


00:56 - Navigating the Goalie Parent Journey

09:10 - Path to Success in Youth Hockey

22:21 - The Importance of Goalie Experience

29:12 - Mentoring Young Goalies

35:04 - Embracing Emotion in Youth Goalkeeping

40:31 - Goaltending Practices Development Tips

47:31 - Goalie Practice and Intensity

54:09 - Goalie Partners and Effective Communication

01:01:35 - Improving Communication Between Coaches and Goalies

01:06:42 - Sens Arena Revolutionizes Goaltending Training

01:14:48 - Importance of Training Technology in Hockey

WEBVTT

00:00:12.896 --> 00:00:19.010
Hello hockey friends and families around the world, and welcome to another episode of Our Kids Play Goalie, powered by NHL Sensorena.

00:00:19.010 --> 00:00:20.466
I'm Lee Elias with Mike Benelli.

00:00:20.466 --> 00:00:29.826
Our guest today is the goaltending coach for Boston University and has an amazing resume that includes coaching with the Boston Bruins, arizona Coyotes and Toronto Maple Leafs.

00:00:29.826 --> 00:00:55.670
Along with his 1,000 goalies annually, which has resulted in over 25 NHL draft picks, and also through his work with Sens Arena as the director of goaltending development, he has authored two top-selling books Hockey Goaltending and how to Be a Goalie Parent.

00:00:55.670 --> 00:01:01.488
But you may ultimately recognize his name because his son, joey Decord, is the starting goaltender for the Seattle Kraken.

00:01:01.488 --> 00:01:03.466
His kid plays hockey.

00:01:03.466 --> 00:01:07.228
Ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming Brian Decord to the show today.

00:01:07.228 --> 00:01:09.120
Brian, welcome to Our Kids Play Hockey.

00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:10.341
Thanks so much.

00:01:10.341 --> 00:01:13.890
And recently I have become Joey Decord's dad.

00:01:13.890 --> 00:01:15.233
He is no longer my kid.

00:01:15.980 --> 00:01:21.793
There you go I think that that's the dream of a lot of the parents on the show here today.

00:01:21.793 --> 00:01:29.554
Just wonderful to see Joey flourish in the NHL, especially last season, and obviously not that it was his coming of age year.

00:01:29.554 --> 00:01:34.069
But the winter classic last year stands out for me obviously is one of the big times that he played.

00:01:34.069 --> 00:01:35.822
But we're going to get to him and you as a dad.

00:01:35.822 --> 00:01:37.346
But I want to start with you.

00:01:37.346 --> 00:01:40.701
You know every goaltender has a story about how they were placed between the pipes.

00:01:40.701 --> 00:01:42.084
Were you voluntold?

00:01:42.084 --> 00:01:43.846
Did you naturally flock to that position?

00:01:43.846 --> 00:01:46.370
How did you get so involved in the goaltending realm?

00:01:46.570 --> 00:01:48.194
Well, I'm going to age myself a little bit.

00:01:48.194 --> 00:01:54.753
I grew up in Montreal and we had a channel 22 and they used to show the Bruins matinee games on Sundays.

00:01:54.753 --> 00:02:01.274
I fell in love with Jerry Chevers and his mask and then once again dating myself.

00:02:01.274 --> 00:02:15.471
Our rink was outside so we played outdoors and my brother was a goalie and finally he got tired of freezing his butt off and so we had a set of equipment right there and I begged my dad to let me play and he let me play.

00:02:15.471 --> 00:02:18.629
And I grew up in Montreal there and I played junior.

00:02:18.629 --> 00:02:22.602
I came to the States, I played at Merrimack College and went over.

00:02:22.602 --> 00:02:27.145
I played seven years in Switzerland in the National A League.

00:02:27.145 --> 00:02:38.032
There Came back goalie coach of the Bruins, goalie scout for Maple Leafs, director of goaltending for the Coyotes and running stop at goaltending as well.

00:02:38.032 --> 00:02:46.858
So that's kind of how I got to this point and we like to say my wife and I, daniela, we like to say we breed goaltenders.

00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:57.549
We have two ourselves and Alex just finished playing recently at St Aslan College at the Division III level.

00:02:57.549 --> 00:02:59.054
That's amazing and again it's ingrained in the family.

00:02:59.054 --> 00:03:03.566
When you said Cheevers, you're talking about the mask with the stitches and stuff like that.

00:03:03.566 --> 00:03:10.814
So for the younger parents in the audience, look up Gary Cheever's mask, all right, because or don't, or don't, or don't.

00:03:10.814 --> 00:03:16.680
Or don't, but really, really creative mask with a lot of stitches on it.

00:03:16.699 --> 00:03:21.230
Well, I freaked the kids out when I showed them pictures of when I was playing for the kid because I had a mask on.

00:03:21.230 --> 00:03:22.272
I had the Jacques Pont mask.

00:03:22.272 --> 00:03:23.241
There was no eye protection.

00:03:23.241 --> 00:03:25.563
I with a kid, because I had a mask on, I had the Jacques Pond mask, there was no eye protection.

00:03:25.563 --> 00:03:30.050
I mean, there were two holes out and if you were going to get hit with a stick, you were going to get hit with a stick.

00:03:30.050 --> 00:03:31.671
And you know it was interesting.

00:03:31.711 --> 00:03:39.540
When I finished playing right near the end of my career, I had a very short period.

00:03:39.540 --> 00:03:50.393
I had a coach by the name of Marco Barron and he had played for the Bruins and happened to be in Switzerland, came out and helped us a little bit, and just in the few times that he helped I learned so much and I had these great coaches that would really help me.

00:03:50.393 --> 00:03:57.006
But at that time, like your goalie coach, you'd see him once a month or something.

00:03:57.006 --> 00:03:59.211
There wasn't that consistent support.

00:03:59.211 --> 00:04:06.340
So when I was done, my goal was to formalize a way to train goaltenders.

00:04:06.340 --> 00:04:17.910
I felt like I could have used so much more as a goaltender myself, and then so I'm always thinking about what can I provide?

00:04:17.910 --> 00:04:27.115
Goalies, and that's where we get into the Stop it Goaltending U app and the SIG Game Day app that does evaluations for goaltenders, and the books.

00:04:27.115 --> 00:04:35.206
I've written five books now, so I just keep on trying to provide resources for our goaltenders and help them.

00:04:35.961 --> 00:04:42.470
And you know, you talk about Joey and you get in the books and we're flying back from Joey's first game.

00:04:42.470 --> 00:04:46.494
He played his first game in the NHL and we're flying back from the game and he played his first game in the NHL and we're flying back from the game.

00:04:46.494 --> 00:04:48.175
And I looked at Danielle and I said I go.

00:04:48.175 --> 00:04:52.507
Do you know how many decisions I'm getting chill saying this right now?

00:04:52.507 --> 00:04:56.610
Do you know how many decisions we had to get right to get to this point?

00:04:57.701 --> 00:05:00.790
And I said I eat, sleep and breathe goaltending.

00:05:00.790 --> 00:05:04.050
I am as deep in the goaltending world as anybody.

00:05:04.050 --> 00:05:07.386
Breathe goaltending I am as deep in the goaltending world as anybody.

00:05:07.386 --> 00:05:14.947
And it was still hard and all the pressure of camps and teams and tournaments and tryouts and where to go and junior and stay in preps, all the decisions.

00:05:14.947 --> 00:05:29.348
And that's why I wrote how to Be a Goalie Parent, because I wanted to help parents navigate through all those decisions and those issues that come up as a goalie parent and that's, that's, uh, it's a, it's an amazing book.

00:05:29.348 --> 00:05:31.136
I actually sell two or three a day.

00:05:31.658 --> 00:05:36.610
It just keeps on going and, um, and, and that's why, uh, I do what I do.

00:05:36.610 --> 00:05:43.747
I just try to give back and try to provide coaches, parents, um, and the goalies, the resources to help them.

00:05:44.266 --> 00:06:04.326
It's funny, brian, right, I'm sure, like when you're writing it too, it's helping you and your family, right, when you're we find out on this show like we'll be doing a podcast and I'll get off on a Monday and I'll sit there and be like, oh geez, I gotta actually reflect on that and redo that, or I need to fix that or tweak that in my own life as a hockey parent.

00:06:04.326 --> 00:06:11.656
So I think it's a great way to almost journal your own experience to help other people.

00:06:11.656 --> 00:06:22.651
But it's really helping you too and I'm sure your kids have appreciated that, because you can reflect on, kind of where you're at in the moment and then pivot and try to make the right decisions.

00:06:22.651 --> 00:06:25.949
And I think that for you to say that, think about all these parents.

00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:41.267
I just did a couple of Pee Wee Quebec tryouts over the past couple of weekends in various areas and watching the goalie parents and the pacing and the uncertainty and then at the end of the day it's like, listen, you're all good.

00:06:41.267 --> 00:06:49.303
I mean, you're all good, every one of them is good and you're just like it's just.

00:06:49.303 --> 00:06:52.357
You know it's chance and it's and it's timing and it's opportunity being in the right place at the right time.

00:06:52.357 --> 00:06:53.521
It's not only about you know talent right.

00:06:54.382 --> 00:07:06.762
Without a doubt, and and we're, we're always growing, we're, we're growing as coaches, we're growing as parents as well.

00:07:06.762 --> 00:07:12.317
You know, and and it was funny I did after the winter classic, I did an interview on the NHL network with Joey and it was like it was a magical moment the whole.

00:07:12.317 --> 00:07:15.004
It was like being in a Disney world movie, right, it was.

00:07:15.004 --> 00:07:16.045
It was insane.

00:07:16.045 --> 00:07:21.502
And we're, we're doing the interview and and, and that's what I talked about.

00:07:21.502 --> 00:07:24.267
I talked about, you know, as a parent.

00:07:24.267 --> 00:07:30.865
Sure, there's a financial aspect to having your kids play hockey, but we can live with the fact.

00:07:30.865 --> 00:07:35.279
Hey, maybe we did a tournament and we shouldn't have, and we spent the $300, and so on and so forth.

00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:45.908
But you know, what really drives the parents is making the right decisions and giving our kids a chance to do what they love to do, and that's what we're trying to do as parents all the time.

00:07:45.908 --> 00:07:47.244
And so you're always.

00:07:47.244 --> 00:07:51.769
The landscape keeps on changing in hockey, so you're always learning and you're always growing.

00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:58.990
You know, brian, we say a lot on this show that there is no one path for any professional, anything really, not just hockey.

00:07:58.990 --> 00:08:03.211
You've mentioned a few times the decision-making aspect of this.

00:08:03.211 --> 00:08:05.305
And look, my son's a young goaltender.

00:08:05.305 --> 00:08:06.249
He's 10 years old.

00:08:06.249 --> 00:08:08.105
I've fallen in the world of.

00:08:08.105 --> 00:08:20.480
I will be buying your book, but the question I have is maybe you can run through some of those decisions that you've had to make as a family for the audience just to give an idea, and kind of with the disclaimer again, these are decisions your family had to make.

00:08:20.480 --> 00:08:23.084
It might not be decisions every family has to make sure.

00:08:23.144 --> 00:08:25.971
So I I have a pretty strong opinion about development.

00:08:25.971 --> 00:08:27.713
And let's go back a little bit.

00:08:27.713 --> 00:08:30.800
My son, joy, was really fortunate.

00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:33.024
He played as a youth.

00:08:33.024 --> 00:08:38.961
He played club hockey, select hockey, as a goalie and he played for his town as a player.

00:08:38.961 --> 00:08:44.168
And he played as a player for the town right through middle school.

00:08:44.168 --> 00:08:52.070
So right up until freshman year of high school he was playing both and he always had a goalie partner.

00:08:52.070 --> 00:09:03.205
He was never the one goalie and you can argue there's a lot of good things about being the only goalie, but there's also a lot of good things about having a goalie partner and splitting the games.

00:09:03.205 --> 00:09:06.441
So that was kind of his thing.

00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.554
And when it comes to decisions you're always forced.

00:09:09.554 --> 00:09:17.101
Whether it's 10 years old, 11 years old, 12 years old, you're always forced with the decision of where to play, what team to try out for, and so on and so forth.

00:09:17.101 --> 00:09:25.052
And I've always had a motto I've always chosen environment over level and that's kind of my go-to.

00:09:25.052 --> 00:09:28.456
And Joey played up one year.

00:09:28.456 --> 00:09:32.729
That was probably his least fun year.

00:09:32.729 --> 00:09:35.697
He was playing with all the kids.

00:09:35.697 --> 00:09:37.625
It was a different locker room dynamic.

00:09:37.625 --> 00:09:40.898
He wasn't ready socially to be in that locker room.

00:09:40.898 --> 00:09:44.322
He was the youngest kid in the room and he didn't have as much fun.

00:09:45.904 --> 00:09:51.129
And goaltending, especially at the youngest levels, it's about driving passion for the game.

00:09:51.129 --> 00:10:05.673
It's hard, it's hard to move up the ranks, it's hard to play for a high school team, a prep school team, where everybody's counting on you and if you play bad you feel like you let everybody down or you got embarrassed.

00:10:05.673 --> 00:10:09.052
You know there's a lot of resiliency that has to go with goaltending.

00:10:09.052 --> 00:10:16.187
You absolutely positively have to develop that passion while you're younger.

00:10:16.187 --> 00:10:28.058
Because when it hits, when Stuart Skinner goes on that bad streak to start the season, that takes resiliency to climb yourself out of that bad streak to start the season, that takes resiliency to climb yourself out of that.

00:10:28.058 --> 00:10:30.767
When he gets benched in the playoffs for two games.

00:10:30.767 --> 00:10:31.087
You need so.

00:10:31.087 --> 00:10:34.879
If you don't have that passion and you don't have that love that you developed as a kid, you're done.

00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:39.190
So let's go back to environment over level.

00:10:39.190 --> 00:10:40.472
I love that statement.

00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:48.933
Joey Decord, in our area we're in New england, boston, and the best league is the ehf.

00:10:48.933 --> 00:10:50.602
That's where the best players play.

00:10:50.602 --> 00:10:53.948
Joey de corde has one ehf game played.

00:10:53.948 --> 00:10:56.033
He never played ehf.

00:10:56.033 --> 00:11:01.870
He played that next level down and once again, but it was a good team.

00:11:01.870 --> 00:11:04.864
He saw lots of shots, it was a great environment.

00:11:04.864 --> 00:11:05.586
He loved the game.

00:11:05.586 --> 00:11:07.046
He kept on getting better.

00:11:08.520 --> 00:11:14.288
You don't have to as a goaltender, you don't have to play at the highest level, but you have to be at a competitive level.

00:11:14.288 --> 00:11:19.366
So you can't just, you know, play at the lowest level and think that one day you're going to get there.

00:11:19.366 --> 00:11:33.701
You have to be challenged, you have to be in a competitive environment, you have to play, and it's not about playing on the best team in the best league, it's about getting experience, getting shots and being in the right environment.

00:11:33.701 --> 00:11:42.724
So he goes right through youth hockey and then it comes in the end of the youth hockey stage and it's oh, what are you going to do here?

00:11:42.724 --> 00:11:44.527
You want to be a player or goalie.

00:11:44.527 --> 00:11:59.967
And um, we had, we had this discussion and he said I really love playing forward, but I really think I'm good at goalie and if I want to make it to the nhl, I want to be a goal, I'm going to be a goalie.

00:11:59.967 --> 00:12:02.926
So that was kind of like the turning point yeah, not at eight.

00:12:02.946 --> 00:12:05.096
By the way, right, brian Brian, this is an eight-years-old.

00:12:05.136 --> 00:12:05.799
This is 14-years-old.

00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:07.087
He was still doing both.

00:12:07.087 --> 00:12:09.705
He was still doing both.

00:12:09.946 --> 00:12:10.849
Right, I mean, it's amazing.

00:12:11.299 --> 00:12:16.467
And obviously he played at the select level as a goalie, played at a higher level as a goalie, right?

00:12:16.467 --> 00:12:19.708
So then it was okay, ninth grade, what do you do?

00:12:19.708 --> 00:12:23.211
Well, well, here, prep school is the big thing, right?

00:12:23.211 --> 00:12:24.373
You know, play prep school.

00:12:24.373 --> 00:12:30.298
Now you're getting more into the academies and the clubs are getting better and better at the 14U and 16U and so on and so forth.

00:12:30.360 --> 00:12:40.470
But at that time it was really about going to prep school and Joey played two years of public high school hockey at the Division II level for North Andover High School.

00:12:40.470 --> 00:12:55.696
And so when he went to Cushing Academy after North Andover and that was, you know, it was when I talked to the coach it was like, okay, he's going to stay here until he's ready to leave at the high school level, we'll, we'll work on that mutually.

00:12:55.696 --> 00:12:57.480
So it was a mutual understanding.

00:12:57.480 --> 00:13:06.933
And then, when it came down to, okay, he had done really well and he went to prep school and in prep school he repeated his sophomore year, okay.

00:13:06.933 --> 00:13:18.587
So he reclassed when he played his first game at Cushing Academy, which is a powerhouse the highest level he had ever played when he played his first game at Cushing Academy.

00:13:19.149 --> 00:13:26.232
He, as a sophomore, he had 48 games played at the high school level before he played his first game at prep school.

00:13:26.232 --> 00:13:29.909
That's putting someone in a position to succeed.

00:13:29.909 --> 00:13:36.729
And I tell goalie parents this all the time Take the stairs, don't take the elevator.

00:13:36.729 --> 00:13:43.393
You take the elevator, you go up too fast, you're going to miss all these experiences and all this development.

00:13:43.393 --> 00:13:48.826
Just stay at a good competitive level, just keep getting better and then and they'll come.

00:13:48.826 --> 00:13:50.028
So.

00:13:50.328 --> 00:14:00.238
So he did the prep school and he was there for his sophomore year and junior year and he was, uh, ranked 14th for the nhl draft, wow.

00:14:00.238 --> 00:14:01.520
And he didn't get drafted.

00:14:01.520 --> 00:14:07.253
So he, he was not drafted his first year of the draft and that's quite something.

00:14:07.253 --> 00:14:09.335
So he doesn't get drafted.

00:14:09.335 --> 00:14:13.857
And then he goes out to mass player development to see who's going to get selected for USA Hockey.

00:14:13.857 --> 00:14:15.767
He gets to the final two.

00:14:15.767 --> 00:14:19.345
He doesn't get selected, he doesn't make it.

00:14:19.345 --> 00:14:22.870
So now, 14th round pick doesn't get picked.

00:14:22.870 --> 00:14:26.470
14th round ranked for the draft doesn't get picked for.

00:14:26.470 --> 00:14:31.671
The goalies Doesn't get selected for the USA Hockey Development Camp.

00:14:31.671 --> 00:14:33.625
Okay, oh, career's over right.

00:14:33.625 --> 00:14:37.168
Everybody thinks you have to have these things.

00:14:37.168 --> 00:14:38.404
You have to have these things.

00:14:38.404 --> 00:14:54.100
But they were tremendous experiences because he got through them and we have a saying every time something rough happens and he faces resiliency, he looks at his hand and goes hey, dad, more calluses, more calluses on these hands.

00:14:54.100 --> 00:14:59.120
And the point is that the more you go through, the tougher you get, the more that you can get through.

00:15:00.260 --> 00:15:01.282
So it was really funny.

00:15:01.282 --> 00:15:02.302
I'll tell you this story.

00:15:02.302 --> 00:15:08.126
So he had gone his two years at Cushing and he had, you know, going into senior year.

00:15:08.126 --> 00:15:14.993
But you have all the junior teams that are saying hey, go junior, you know you got to move past prep school, you weren't drafted, all this kind of stuff.

00:15:14.993 --> 00:15:21.577
And then it was the big decision Do you go junior or do you go back to prep school?

00:15:21.577 --> 00:15:30.442
Back to prep school.

00:15:30.461 --> 00:15:41.034
And for us it was really funny because we had one of the people at Cushing and they had talked to Joey about coming back and they were like hey, you know, you should play for this split season team at the beginning of the year.

00:15:41.034 --> 00:15:42.159
And this is what you do at prep school.

00:15:42.159 --> 00:16:16.203
You play for a split season team before you play the prep school season and you shouldn't play soccer now joey was the captain of the soccer team, captain of the tennis team, captain of the soccer team, captain of the hockey team, so he was a tri-captain and, um, they, they were pushing hard for him not to play soccer and eventually this was a funny phone call eventually Eventually, I said you know what, you're right, he should just focus on hockey, that next year I'm going to send him out to Minnesota to play for the wilderness in the Null.

00:16:16.203 --> 00:16:19.913
And they were like whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:16:22.181 --> 00:16:22.883
You've made my choice.

00:16:22.883 --> 00:16:24.328
You're making me make my choice, thank you.

00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:25.576
Wait a minute, no, no, wait, wait a minute.

00:16:25.576 --> 00:16:25.840
No, no, he can.

00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:27.464
No, he can play soccer, he can come back.

00:16:27.464 --> 00:16:29.708
So it was funny.

00:16:29.708 --> 00:16:31.533
He had no scholarships, he had nothing.

00:16:31.533 --> 00:16:35.427
And he went back for his senior year and he ended up ranked 10th.

00:16:35.427 --> 00:16:42.711
He got a full scholarship to arizona state university and, uh, he was drafted in the seventh round of the united children.

00:16:42.751 --> 00:16:43.741
Wow, you know.

00:16:43.741 --> 00:16:47.087
But but hey, could you imagine as a parent that decision?

00:16:47.087 --> 00:16:55.772
You got so many people, you got to go junior, you got to go junior and you've got the people at the school saying, well, you got to give up soccer.

00:16:55.772 --> 00:17:03.731
You know, you got to give up all these things coming at you and then you just got to make a decision Once again environment.

00:17:03.731 --> 00:17:08.465
He loved playing soccer, he loved the school.

00:17:08.465 --> 00:17:11.047
It was a great fit and it was like, hey, you know what?

00:17:11.047 --> 00:17:12.563
You didn't get it done last year.

00:17:12.563 --> 00:17:22.685
You're 14th, you didn't get a scholarship, go back, go get it, go earn it Right at the level Master, the level that you're at, and then we'll worry about moving on after that.

00:17:23.247 --> 00:17:33.290
Yeah, and I think I think goaltenders to you know have, you know, not that it's at that, it's an advantage, disadvantage, it's just a different you know piece of where you are in development.

00:17:33.290 --> 00:17:49.028
Because I think the environment I just was listening to like hockey prospects radio over the weekend and you know there's highly touted goaltender coming in that nobody's really seen on the radar because he has like a 7.3 goals against average or something like that but he's playing on the worst team in the league.

00:17:49.028 --> 00:17:51.544
He's saved, he's got like 56 shots on net.

00:17:51.544 --> 00:17:59.070
You know he's just in a great but he's in a great environment like he's, like you know, sound goaltender, has all the you know the mental.

00:17:59.070 --> 00:18:02.544
I mean, think about this kid, he's, he keeps going in the net, right, he's not quitting.

00:18:02.544 --> 00:18:04.106
So I I think it's just about that.

00:18:04.347 --> 00:18:06.712
Are you talking about Mikhail Egorov?

00:18:07.153 --> 00:18:07.554
Oh, I don't know.

00:18:07.554 --> 00:18:10.604
Yeah, maybe it's the Because he played on.

00:18:10.844 --> 00:18:17.288
arguably, one of the worst teams in the USHL was getting bombarded every night, but we actually committed him out of Omaha.

00:18:17.288 --> 00:18:24.885
But he's ranked number one on Central's list, so it could have been him.

00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:28.246
Because you're seeing him like you're.

00:18:28.246 --> 00:18:29.270
That's the, that's the eyeball test, right?

00:18:29.270 --> 00:18:30.636
It's not like that's a great.

00:18:30.897 --> 00:18:47.084
That's a great, it is a great example, because it's not about being on the best team and and he wasn't, you know the highly touted guy coming in and so on and so forth it it's about taking the stairs, it's about mastering the level that you're at before you move on.

00:18:47.084 --> 00:18:51.875
And you know, if you think about it, if you're, you're.

00:18:51.875 --> 00:18:56.025
People make mistakes when they're in a rush right.

00:18:56.025 --> 00:19:03.126
When you're in a rush to do something, or you're rushed to get out of the house, oh, you forgot something you were supposed to bring.

00:19:03.126 --> 00:19:13.424
So, if you think we're not going to rush, we're going to get what we need done at the level we're at and then we're going to move on.

00:19:13.424 --> 00:19:15.811
That's really the development path.

00:19:16.742 --> 00:19:22.250
Now for your coaches that are out there, I don't agree with that from a player standpoint.

00:19:22.250 --> 00:19:27.352
From a player standpoint, I think it's really important to play at the highest level you can.

00:19:27.352 --> 00:19:34.932
It's not a necessity for goaltenders and, of course, if you're a great goaltender playing a great league and a great team, fine, that's great.

00:19:34.932 --> 00:19:36.586
We're not saying don't play for that team.

00:19:36.586 --> 00:19:37.328
I'm not saying that at all.

00:19:37.328 --> 00:19:42.090
But if you're not, don't worry about it, you're fine, don't?

00:19:42.672 --> 00:19:43.653
worry about it, you're fine.

00:19:43.653 --> 00:19:58.405
Well, I think I think that's where the anxiety comes in, because a parent now has to deal with a kid and a coach and other parents, because the last line of defense is the fact that, okay, I'm, I'm letting my child go through this process and, yes, there's getting six goals against them.

00:19:58.405 --> 00:19:59.288
The team's losing.

00:19:59.288 --> 00:20:02.443
My son is getting better, he's getting better and better and better.

00:20:02.845 --> 00:20:16.871
But think you can just talk a little bit about how you would approach well, any level, but really the youth hockey level on a kid that plays on a lesser team is a better goalie is trying to take the stairs mentally.

00:20:16.871 --> 00:20:28.303
How do they talk themselves into being like listen, I am good, I am my job, I'm accomplishing what I need to accomplish as a goaltender.

00:20:28.303 --> 00:20:34.417
I can't do anything about the 6D in front of me and the 15 forwards.

00:20:34.417 --> 00:20:38.086
I can't score goals, I can't dump the puck out.

00:20:38.086 --> 00:20:49.567
Just talk a little bit about what a parent can do to kind of talk that player up and make sure they're staying in a good mental place to say, because it is a long listen to your journey.

00:20:49.660 --> 00:20:55.990
Your son's journey went from not even knowing he was going to be a goalie at 14 to playing in the NHL.

00:20:57.181 --> 00:21:00.330
And this year he was the nine-year overnight success.

00:21:01.820 --> 00:21:06.088
It drafted nine years ago, Right right, we knew it all the time.

00:21:06.088 --> 00:21:09.002
We knew it all the time overnight, overnight success.

00:21:09.042 --> 00:21:11.630
No, nine years of grinding it out from right.

00:21:11.711 --> 00:21:16.173
I think, I think at the youth loft and especially where we are right in new england and the northeast it's.

00:21:16.173 --> 00:21:19.829
It's even a bigger pressure cooker, I think, because there's, so you could.

00:21:19.869 --> 00:21:33.969
You could easily just hop and go across the street, go to another program and be happy so here's the first, here's the first thing I tell you, mike, the first thing I tell you is is to express gratitude for being in the situation where you are getting shot.

00:21:33.969 --> 00:21:37.500
So in the goalie world, this is what it comes down to.

00:21:37.500 --> 00:21:44.963
If you do your research and you analyze the goalies that make it, uh, and probability of goalies making it.

00:21:44.963 --> 00:21:54.326
If I said to you what's the most important stat in goaltending, some some people would go, oh, it's wins, goalie that wins, that's the most important stat.

00:21:54.326 --> 00:21:58.582
Someone say, oh no, it's save percentage, save percentage over goals against average, and so on and so forth.

00:21:58.582 --> 00:22:07.695
And and you look at, you look at stats and if you study it, you realize, if you look back in time, stats mean nothing.

00:22:07.695 --> 00:22:15.573
There's only one stat in goaltending that has any relevance in terms of predicting success and that's games played.

00:22:15.573 --> 00:22:16.934
It's the only stat.

00:22:16.934 --> 00:22:21.146
You've got so many goalies that have made it that.

00:22:21.146 --> 00:22:24.273
The commonality is that they've played a lot of games.

00:22:24.273 --> 00:22:27.729
Going back to Stuart Skinner, look at Stuart Skinner's path.

00:22:27.729 --> 00:22:31.887
Look how many games he played in major junior, look how many games in the minors he's played.

00:22:31.887 --> 00:22:54.931
So you take a look at being grateful for getting the experience, getting those shots, being able to not be on a team where you go to a game and there's 10 shots, because every shot is a chance to get better and there's a big difference.

00:22:54.931 --> 00:22:59.130
Let's go into this a little bit in terms of being grateful for being on a team that's not that good.

00:22:59.130 --> 00:23:08.490
You're shot in practice, maybe you're on a better team and you're seeing better shots in practice, which is great, but those shots in practice have no consequence.

00:23:08.490 --> 00:23:17.170
There's a difference between reading a release and reading a play in a game with real consequences than it is in practice.

00:23:17.170 --> 00:23:18.402
And I say so.

00:23:18.402 --> 00:23:23.288
Let's say we went over and played some golf, right, and we go to Andover Country Club down the road here.

00:23:23.288 --> 00:23:32.321
We'd go there and the three of us we go to the t-box and the starters there and you'd have guys coming the 18th, coming off the 18th.

00:23:32.321 --> 00:23:37.442
You'd have the next group behind us and you got people on the patio and in the bar watching and take your first t-shot.

00:23:37.442 --> 00:23:41.251
Okay, that's one type of experience.

00:23:41.251 --> 00:23:42.434
There's consequences there.

00:23:42.434 --> 00:23:45.227
Like all of a sudden you got 15, 20 people watching.

00:23:45.227 --> 00:23:46.450
You take your first swing of the day.

00:23:46.450 --> 00:23:52.132
Then you go through the first hole, you go to the second hole, you go up around the trees.

00:23:52.132 --> 00:23:54.946
Now it's just the three of us and now we're hitting the ball.

00:23:54.946 --> 00:23:57.586
It's a completely different experience.

00:23:57.586 --> 00:24:00.847
So you want to get shots with consequences?

00:24:00.847 --> 00:24:01.569
Okay.

00:24:01.569 --> 00:24:02.621
So that's one thing.

00:24:03.001 --> 00:24:11.532
Now, in terms of tricks and tips for goalies that play on weaker teams, you have to do things to give them a chance to succeed.

00:24:11.532 --> 00:24:14.580
So, first off, stop playing games.

00:24:14.580 --> 00:24:15.945
Games are three periods long.

00:24:15.945 --> 00:24:19.056
Break that game up until three games.

00:24:19.056 --> 00:24:20.921
There are three distinct games.

00:24:20.921 --> 00:24:23.787
First period that's one game.

00:24:23.787 --> 00:24:27.741
So now you have, let's say, lee's the coach and Mike.

00:24:27.741 --> 00:24:30.047
You have a son and he plays his first period.

00:24:30.047 --> 00:24:31.471
He goes over and he goes.

00:24:31.471 --> 00:24:32.132
Okay, how do we do?

00:24:32.132 --> 00:24:36.248
Yeah, coach, we lost two, nothing, all right, hey, two, nothing.

00:24:36.248 --> 00:24:38.432
Okay, look, new game coming up.

00:24:38.432 --> 00:24:39.821
Second period zero, zero.

00:24:39.821 --> 00:24:41.045
Let's see how we do.

00:24:41.045 --> 00:24:43.849
Come over Coach 1-1.

00:24:43.849 --> 00:24:46.314
All right, fantastic, we tied the game.

00:24:46.314 --> 00:24:47.723
Let's go win this third game.

00:24:47.723 --> 00:24:48.969
Let's go the third.

00:24:48.969 --> 00:24:51.574
Now you go hey, we won 1-0.

00:24:51.574 --> 00:24:53.621
We won two to one.

00:24:53.621 --> 00:24:55.321
So now you get some wins.

00:24:55.321 --> 00:24:58.723
So you got to find some ways to get some wins.

00:24:58.723 --> 00:25:01.486
And what are you trying?

00:25:01.486 --> 00:25:24.412
Always broke the game up into five minute segments, and it was five minutes at even NHL, five minutes segments.

00:25:24.412 --> 00:25:25.944
And I'm going to tell you a story.

00:25:25.944 --> 00:25:28.601
This is great for the parents to understand, your goalie parents to understand.

00:25:28.601 --> 00:25:30.464
So I remember.

00:25:30.464 --> 00:25:43.161
So Richard Schneider, awesome guy I remember having a conversation with Corey's dad and it was about a half hour conversation and it was about the team and the coach and what was going on and everything like that.

00:25:43.942 --> 00:25:50.820
And I put down the phone and I immediately got another call and it was from the goalie parent of a peewee.

00:25:50.820 --> 00:25:58.089
Okay, I literally had the exact same conversation.

00:25:58.089 --> 00:26:02.996
So nothing changes from the time you're 10 to the time you're 30.

00:26:02.996 --> 00:26:08.574
There's some zeros involved and everything like that, but nothing really changes.

00:26:08.574 --> 00:26:11.583
You're talking about the same stuff and I always tell parents it's so funny.

00:26:11.583 --> 00:26:15.353
They're like, geez, my goalie's 12, 14.

00:26:15.353 --> 00:26:17.067
Geez, the stress.

00:26:17.067 --> 00:26:17.873
It's been a grind.

00:26:17.873 --> 00:26:22.570
I'm like you're just getting started and and it never changes, it's all.

00:26:22.570 --> 00:26:24.035
It's always the same stuff.

00:26:24.035 --> 00:26:25.259
So it's just.

00:26:25.259 --> 00:26:30.310
Obviously it's a little magnified because of the dollars, but uh, yeah, but not in their mind, right?

00:26:30.371 --> 00:26:34.528
no, no, it's the same you're dealing with the same issues, yeah right in their mind.

00:26:34.548 --> 00:26:35.250
It's like the money.

00:26:35.250 --> 00:26:41.664
Like you know, when you, when you get to a certain level the nhl I mean everybody says it's work, right, but it's still a game and it's still.

00:26:41.664 --> 00:26:43.911
You have to have fun and you have to break those things down.

00:26:43.911 --> 00:26:44.580
You have to find a way.

00:26:44.580 --> 00:26:50.480
How can I make this enjoyable for myself and not, you know, and not just being a pressure cooker all the time?

00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:53.165
And I, you know, I feel my son plays goalie, but in lacrosse, right.

00:26:53.165 --> 00:26:59.375
So I had to get over this whole feeling that, like I'm like, oh my God, eight goals against this is horrible.

00:26:59.375 --> 00:27:00.604
That's a really great game.

00:27:00.604 --> 00:27:02.108
I had a great game, like you know.

00:27:02.542 --> 00:27:03.250
He got a chance.

00:27:03.250 --> 00:27:07.191
He got a chance to come back after eight goals and build resiliency.

00:27:07.380 --> 00:27:13.008
Yeah but it's just a hard thing, like mentality-wise, when most games are like 18 to 17 or something like that.

00:27:13.048 --> 00:27:16.112
Right, you don't get like a 2-1 lacrosse game, but I think it's.

00:27:16.112 --> 00:27:30.281
But you look as a parent and the one thing that talking to Lee and being on these Our Kids Play Goalie podcasts and listening to different goaltenders and coaches I'm able to understand even better as a hockey coach that you've got to set aside Like listen.

00:27:30.281 --> 00:27:46.162
Sometimes when you talk to your goaltenders you do have to be a little selfish and be like listen, you can't do anything about the rest of the bench, like you need to break your game down into what you can control and what you can muster mentally, like you can't.

00:27:46.162 --> 00:27:50.833
There's not a lot you can do about the emotional piece that's happening on the bench.

00:27:50.833 --> 00:27:53.443
Right, because I mean, it's almost like the way I look at it.

00:27:53.443 --> 00:27:57.710
A lot when I watch a game it is a skirmish in the crease Most of the time.

00:27:57.710 --> 00:28:01.255
The goalies get up and they skate to the corner and they're kind of like, well, that's not my problem.

00:28:04.280 --> 00:28:05.002
Like I started it, but I'm not.

00:28:05.002 --> 00:28:13.407
Yeah, you guys got to take care of this behind me, but I think it's just a way for them to get out of there and get into a different mindset and be like I'm, which I think is a good thing.

00:28:13.407 --> 00:28:15.250
They're extracted from the team.

00:28:15.250 --> 00:28:21.691
They're extracted from that moment of the game because they don't have a chance to go reset on the bench.

00:28:21.691 --> 00:28:27.549
They've got to find a way to reset in moment in the time of an actual game going on.

00:28:28.059 --> 00:28:31.130
But I love what you said when I talked to my goalies.

00:28:31.130 --> 00:28:35.390
So we have goalies 8 years old, 10 years old, 12 years old.

00:28:35.390 --> 00:28:43.894
Whatever they go to the rink, they get dressed, they go play a game, they get undressed, they leave the rink.

00:28:43.894 --> 00:28:47.000
They had no communication with an adult.

00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:51.130
Literally Coach hasn't said a thing to them.

00:28:51.369 --> 00:29:09.082
And so the fact that you just said, when you talk to your goalies, I'm like yes, talking to the goalies and and like the worst thing you can try to do is talk goalie lingo, because most kids are getting training at a young age that they're getting all the terminology you know.

00:29:09.082 --> 00:29:20.104
Then you start trying to throw some terms out and they're going to look at you like, no, yeah, if you talk to them in English, then then that's good, but it's just the communic, it's the communication part.

00:29:20.104 --> 00:29:21.386
But you got to understand.

00:29:21.386 --> 00:29:23.031
You got to keep one number in your head.

00:29:23.031 --> 00:29:29.852
Okay, the number is the average age of a college division.

00:29:30.031 --> 00:29:31.595
One commit do you guys know what that is?

00:29:31.595 --> 00:29:33.903
It's 19.6.

00:29:33.903 --> 00:29:41.835
You know, say I was gonna say 20, 19.6 years of age is the average commit for a goalie.

00:29:41.835 --> 00:29:46.150
So, like these games, you're just getting better.

00:29:46.150 --> 00:29:47.825
Why are you playing these games?

00:29:47.825 --> 00:29:49.685
To have fun and get better.

00:29:49.685 --> 00:29:56.932
And guess what, if you got 40 shots in that game and that other goalie got 12, guess what?

00:29:56.932 --> 00:30:02.111
You got 28 more chances to get better than that guy, isn't that?

00:30:02.571 --> 00:30:04.038
awesome, brian, I love what you're saying.

00:30:04.038 --> 00:30:05.060
I'll tell you something funny.

00:30:05.060 --> 00:30:12.085
For whatever reason, throughout my entire time playing and coaching, I have always gotten along with goaltenders.

00:30:12.085 --> 00:30:13.048
I was a center.

00:30:13.048 --> 00:30:16.582
I never played goalie, ever but maybe there's a little goalie in me.

00:30:16.582 --> 00:30:31.277
And one of the things that's happening now that I can't quite explain is that when we get period breaks Mike I don't even know if you know this Whatever age I'm coaching, the goaltender tends to come to me and I don't take it lightly, right?

00:30:32.940 --> 00:30:37.881
They're coming to me for whatever reason, but when I talk to them, the conversations range from you usually ask how you feeling.

00:30:37.881 --> 00:30:39.003
I let them talk to me.

00:30:39.003 --> 00:30:43.501
Sometimes we talk about hockey, sometimes we talk about something else.

00:30:43.501 --> 00:30:49.385
The idea is I'm just trying to talk to them to get them to wherever they need to be mentally to feel better, to get back in the net.

00:30:49.385 --> 00:30:51.779
And I remember, um, recently I was coaching a game.

00:30:51.779 --> 00:30:56.230
We were down and he came to me a little bit down and I said how you feeling?

00:30:56.410 --> 00:30:59.463
And and it was just what you just said he's like oh man, they're peppering me.

00:30:59.463 --> 00:31:01.529
I'm like I said how exciting, that was the words.

00:31:01.529 --> 00:31:05.192
He's, how exciting, awesome that you're getting all these shots, um.

00:31:05.192 --> 00:31:19.347
So yeah, I think that one of the reasons we made this show is exactly for what you said there should be no player on a team that comes in and has no uh interaction with an adult goalie or skater, right, because I mean, what are you coaching for if you're not doing that?

00:31:19.347 --> 00:31:24.651
So one of the questions I wanted to ask you and you've been dropping a lot of gold on here about the environment- I'm going to stop you right there.

00:31:24.680 --> 00:31:25.825
Can you hold that question now?

00:31:25.825 --> 00:31:26.607
Yeah, please go.

00:31:26.607 --> 00:31:29.710
So I'm going to tell you when we talk about this.

00:31:29.710 --> 00:31:42.839
That's why sorry, usa Hockey or Hockey Canada or whatever, but goalie parents have to car coach Interesting.

00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:45.542
They do because the kids don't get anything.

00:31:45.542 --> 00:31:48.047
Most of them, like almost every youth kid, shows up at practice.

00:31:48.047 --> 00:31:51.692
There's not a goalie guy there, right, so they go to practice.

00:31:51.692 --> 00:31:53.255
They're not getting any feedback.

00:32:00.220 --> 00:32:04.689
So I think it's up to us, as goalie parents, to educate ourselves so that we're able to understand how to talk to our kids.

00:32:04.689 --> 00:32:06.152
How do you talk to them before a game?

00:32:06.152 --> 00:32:07.382
How do you talk to them after a game?

00:32:07.382 --> 00:32:19.325
I think that's important, because they're just not getting that, and then, if they're not, then it's not coming out of them too, because it's important, right, Like that in between period stuff, that stuff, that stuff is gold.

00:32:19.625 --> 00:32:25.405
I'm going to tell you this, and I take this from joey right, he is, he's got a great mindset.

00:32:25.405 --> 00:32:26.387
I'm so jealous of him.

00:32:26.387 --> 00:32:31.105
I wish I had his mindset when I played, but he has this thing.

00:32:31.105 --> 00:32:31.445
He goes.

00:32:31.445 --> 00:32:32.086
You know what?

00:32:32.086 --> 00:32:35.653
You can't stop a puck when no one's shooting at you.

00:32:35.653 --> 00:32:39.028
You can't stop a puck when no one's shooting at you.

00:32:39.028 --> 00:32:40.310
And in between periods, guess what?

00:32:40.310 --> 00:32:43.501
No one's shooting at you.

00:32:43.501 --> 00:32:45.065
The night before a game, no one's shooting at you.

00:32:45.065 --> 00:32:47.048
The morning of a game, no one's shooting at you.

00:32:47.048 --> 00:32:48.170
Like, why worry about the game?

00:32:48.170 --> 00:32:50.074
You can't stop a puck when no one's shooting at you.

00:32:50.074 --> 00:32:55.122
And it's a great way to look at it, right?

00:32:55.122 --> 00:32:56.767
Because so many kids, they bring the game home with them.

00:32:57.387 --> 00:32:57.628
Yeah.

00:32:58.411 --> 00:32:58.932
Why are you down?

00:32:58.932 --> 00:32:59.693
No one's shooting at you.

00:32:59.693 --> 00:33:02.140
Why worry about it?

00:33:02.140 --> 00:33:04.268
You can't do anything about it while no one's shooting at you.

00:33:04.268 --> 00:33:06.200
So it's a great little mindset.

00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:08.482
The other thing that just comes to mind.

00:33:08.482 --> 00:33:10.704
I've got to get this out because I think it's so important.

00:33:10.704 --> 00:33:19.655
You've probably talked to your son about staying at the same level, being even keel, not getting too high and too low, for sure.

00:33:19.655 --> 00:33:33.848
So I've always, you know, a goalie can't get too high or too low, and whenever I start something towards that line, joey tells me to shut my mouth.

00:33:33.848 --> 00:33:37.101
He hates when I say that he goes.

00:33:37.101 --> 00:33:37.805
You know what, dad?

00:33:37.805 --> 00:33:38.105
He goes.

00:33:38.105 --> 00:33:41.807
It is so hard sometimes being a goalie.

00:33:41.807 --> 00:33:45.243
When things go right, I'm going to enjoy it.

00:33:45.243 --> 00:33:56.181
So now, when you watch, if Joey gets first star of the game, he gets out on the ice, he hugs the mascot, he throws his fish, he gets the crowd, he has a ball.

00:33:56.961 --> 00:33:57.401
Right, why should I?

00:33:57.401 --> 00:33:57.761
Why should I not?

00:33:57.761 --> 00:33:58.321
He throws his fish.

00:33:58.342 --> 00:34:03.983
He gets the crowd Like he has a ball Right and he's like why should I not get up and high when things are good?

00:34:03.983 --> 00:34:07.586
Because I'm going to be low when it gets hard.

00:34:07.586 --> 00:34:09.327
It sucks, it's tough.

00:34:09.327 --> 00:34:18.490
So I've kind of changed my view on it, saying yeah, goalies, have some fun, enjoy it, you're all right have some fun, enjoy it.

00:34:18.510 --> 00:34:19.592
You're asking it, let's go.

00:34:19.592 --> 00:34:32.998
I think it's about defining what is get too high or too low mean, because the way I describe this with my son, my son dances between stoppages right, and I've never told him to stop because I think it's the coolest thing in the world.

00:34:32.998 --> 00:34:33.938
He's enjoying the game.

00:34:33.938 --> 00:34:37.925
So I appreciate what you said 100% and I agree with you.

00:34:37.925 --> 00:34:43.242
I think when I say to him or any of the players, don't get too high or too low, it's be present.

00:34:43.242 --> 00:34:52.807
If you're feeling good, live in that moment, all right, but but you have to have the ability to control the emotion, so it doesn't control you.

00:34:52.807 --> 00:35:03.009
There is a point that if you get too excited and then you transfer that to a cocky state of mind of okay, now we're going to win, that to me is that's too high.

00:35:03.009 --> 00:35:06.068
Same thing with pain, though.

00:35:06.068 --> 00:35:08.327
I want you to feel the pain because you've got to live in that too.

00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.007
But don't allow that to control you.

00:35:11.007 --> 00:35:13.869
We talk to all our players about that.

00:35:13.869 --> 00:35:16.728
I'm in New York, so rangers go down by a goal.

00:35:16.728 --> 00:35:17.592
It's up season's over.

00:35:17.592 --> 00:35:20.340
Pack it in it's over it's exactly what ranger fans.

00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:23.768
That's it, we're done, it's all done or you know, or we score.

00:35:23.809 --> 00:35:28.409
You know the team scores a goal and you hear the kids I hear the kids down the hall, you know yelling and screaming oh, that's it.

00:35:28.409 --> 00:35:31.224
We're going all the way where you know this is, this is gonna be it.

00:35:31.224 --> 00:35:35.891
I'm like there is a, there's a long time in the game and I think that's like.

00:35:35.891 --> 00:35:55.067
So, brian, I love to mean you know, we we say that to anybody right Goalies forwards, defensemen like you, we, and you see it at your level and you certainly see at the pro level all the time where, like, you score a goal with two minutes left in the adulation of the score and then they give up a goal like five seconds later, and he was like, and then it just defeats you.

00:35:55.126 --> 00:36:04.867
But and seconds later, and he's like, and then it just defeats you, but and that's where I kind of feel you got to be even.

00:36:04.867 --> 00:36:23.050
But at the end of the game, when you're like I was, we had one goalie who's actually doing really well now and at the beginning he started playing for me and after we would score, I was like, taking it back by, he'd be at our bench like screaming and patting the guys and giving high fives and he's in the game and I I had never seen that at the youth level before with a goalie like coming all the way down to the bench and giving everybody a high five on the bench.

00:36:23.050 --> 00:36:26.568
And at first I was like just get in the goddamn net, like what are you doing over here?

00:36:26.568 --> 00:36:30.088
And then I was just like this, I love it Cause the kids got so much energy out of it.

00:36:30.088 --> 00:36:32.550
This kid, this is this kid.

00:36:32.931 --> 00:36:36.074
I think like it's, did he lose focus after that?

00:36:36.653 --> 00:36:39.717
I think it was more focused and I think the guys wanted to play for him even harder.

00:36:39.717 --> 00:36:46.021
Right, because they saw that his emotion and his energy and his passion were there, and you know.

00:36:46.021 --> 00:36:52.353
But at the same time, he didn't go and hide into the net when he gave up a goal and sulked in the corner.

00:36:52.860 --> 00:36:54.351
And to bring it back to Brian.

00:36:54.351 --> 00:36:58.168
To you You're like, let's go, I got to say something about the glove taps there.

00:36:58.329 --> 00:36:59.331
Yeah, all right.

00:36:59.331 --> 00:37:14.262
So when Joey went pro, so in college right, most college goalies after a goal will skate by the bench if it's first or third period will skate to the bench and get in the line, the glove line right, and then.

00:37:14.262 --> 00:37:18.570
But in the NHL and pro, like that, that wasn't really.

00:37:18.570 --> 00:37:20.802
That was kind of frowned on, a little bit like you don't do that.

00:37:20.802 --> 00:37:25.170
And then joey's doing it and I'm saying hold on, okay.

00:37:25.170 --> 00:37:32.722
And then we were talking about it he's like hey, I'm part of the, I want to, I want to sell it with the team, right, right, right.

00:37:32.722 --> 00:37:41.934
So so after goal he goes and goes and he gets in the glove line and he goes high five and then he goes back to the net and I'm like, awesome, I love that.

00:37:41.934 --> 00:37:42.596
I think it's sick.

00:37:42.900 --> 00:37:59.126
And what I remember about Joey too is I remember after the Winter Classic he was doing like a post-game press conference and you just got the impression this guy is enjoying it, he just loves it, and he was not monotone in that press conference.

00:37:59.126 --> 00:38:03.306
He had a good time and you could not not feel what he was feeling, right, Just the adulation and the fun.

00:38:03.306 --> 00:38:05.827
You know, maybe if you're a Vegas fan, but not.

00:38:05.827 --> 00:38:11.449
But just the point is is that you know that's him, that's authentically him, and I don't think he's losing focus in any way.

00:38:11.449 --> 00:38:13.400
I think, like Mike said, it probably enhances it.

00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:14.440
It probably enhances it.

00:38:14.440 --> 00:38:15.822
So I think that's a delicate balance.

00:38:16.101 --> 00:38:20.945
But I do agree with you about not putting them in a little cage and saying, hey, don't think.

00:38:20.945 --> 00:38:37.753
To me that's one of the big things in youth hockey that I have a problem with is we tell don't think, don't cry, don't yell, don't scream, no, no, you got to let them feel, because that emotion is actually part of the game and their ability to control that emotion as they get older, or at least understand it, can put them forth.

00:38:37.753 --> 00:38:42.315
I mean, look, let's go back 20 years when Ovechkin started and he would celebrate every goal.

00:38:42.315 --> 00:38:46.137
People are like oh, this guy's a showboat, this guy's a show man.

00:38:46.137 --> 00:38:47.297
That was fun, All right.

00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:49.681
And he still does.

00:38:49.681 --> 00:38:50.581
He has so much passion he does, he loved it.

00:38:50.581 --> 00:38:52.063
He enjoyed it Like let's go.

00:38:52.063 --> 00:38:53.003
Who?

00:38:53.063 --> 00:38:53.804
didn't like that.

00:38:53.804 --> 00:38:57.806
Right Now, I do want to bring this back to a question for the audience here.

00:38:57.806 --> 00:39:02.731
Right, we talked about how you said it goaltenders might go the whole game not talking to anybody.

00:39:02.731 --> 00:39:15.949
What are some of the changes we can make at practices, maybe at games, to both incorporate youth goaltenders into the practice more, like you know, thinking about what coaches do or don't know right.

00:39:15.949 --> 00:39:17.054
And then also, why is that important?

00:39:17.054 --> 00:39:23.581
Because you know, another reason we made this show is because there's a huge detriment at the youth level of hey, just get in the net and make saves.

00:39:23.581 --> 00:39:27.681
Um, I have seen some organizations bring in third-party help with goaltending.

00:39:27.681 --> 00:39:28.742
My organization has done that.

00:39:28.742 --> 00:39:29.806
I'm very thankful for that.

00:39:30.507 --> 00:39:31.590
Um, but what?

00:39:32.211 --> 00:39:33.702
we are and I don't take that for granted.

00:39:33.702 --> 00:39:35.364
You talked about environment over level.

00:39:35.364 --> 00:39:40.454
I'm keeping him at this level and this environment because of exactly what you're talking about.

00:39:40.454 --> 00:39:41.724
He's enjoying it, he's loving it.

00:39:41.724 --> 00:39:46.931
He's also very young but, with that said right, keeping it at the kind of the youth level right now.

00:39:46.931 --> 00:39:56.552
What is your advice to coaches when they're when they're planning the practices, when they're creating their practices or their vision for the season, to incorporate goaltending into that more?

00:39:57.500 --> 00:40:00.387
All right, so I their practices or their vision for the season to incorporate goaltending into that more.

00:40:00.387 --> 00:40:02.170
All right, so I'll go off on this a little bit now.

00:40:02.170 --> 00:40:02.550
Here we go.

00:40:02.550 --> 00:40:07.262
Um, first off, there should be no dead time for goalies in practice.

00:40:07.262 --> 00:40:24.260
Okay, meaning if there's a lull in practice, goal should be skating and it's up to the goalies, like like on our Stopping Goaltending U app, we have all these goalies skating drills that the goalies can look up and they'll have a million drills to do so.

00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:57.913
If you think about it, right, if Mike's got a 10-year-old and you got a 10-year-old, and every time you go on the ice, when there's dead time in practice before, after, during, during explanations or coaching, whatever and he goes in his crease and does skating Two minutes here, five minutes there, so now maybe it's 15, 20 minutes a week, 20 minutes a week, three practices a week, right, that starts to add up.

00:40:57.913 --> 00:41:01.309
And you think about you.

00:41:01.309 --> 00:41:07.601
Both have kids and one of them is taking advantage of all that dead ice and one's not Exponentially.

00:41:07.601 --> 00:41:10.510
The improvement is going to be much better in the goalie.

00:41:10.510 --> 00:41:18.603
So I think that, coaches, when you go up to the board and explain the drill, should the goalie be paying attention?

00:41:18.603 --> 00:41:21.190
Absolutely, are they, absolutely not.

00:41:21.190 --> 00:41:24.610
They're going to be looking at the board.

00:41:25.222 --> 00:41:27.750
Does the drill end within those red lines?

00:41:27.750 --> 00:41:28.601
Yes, where's?

00:41:28.661 --> 00:41:29.204
the shot.

00:41:29.641 --> 00:41:33.347
That's what they're going to say they're going to say where's the shot.

00:41:33.347 --> 00:41:44.688
So you know what, instead of them going around and waiting, do your skating drills, pass the puck, do something with an assistant, like, take advantage of that time.

00:41:44.688 --> 00:41:48.490
I think there's so much that Andrew Raycroft works with me.

00:41:48.490 --> 00:41:50.385
We talk about it all the time.

00:41:50.385 --> 00:41:54.550
It's about maximizing those minutes on the ice, right?

00:41:54.550 --> 00:41:56.847
So I think that's a big, important one.

00:41:56.847 --> 00:41:57.710
I'm writing that down.

00:41:57.710 --> 00:42:08.027
The other thing that I believe strongly about is that we're going down just way too much in practice.

00:42:08.027 --> 00:42:12.248
Okay, a goalie knows how to make a butterfly save.

00:42:12.248 --> 00:42:17.391
The goalie does not have to go down every shot in practice.

00:42:17.391 --> 00:42:31.623
So we have, as the goalies are getting older, we have a hip epidemic, fais labrums, we we have lots of issues with all the goalies because of all the external rotations.

00:42:31.623 --> 00:42:35.447
So if you do a little math, right.

00:42:35.447 --> 00:42:45.360
So in a typical 80 minute practice, let's say at a higher level, there'll be 125 butterflies done in practice, all right.

00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:53.030
So let's say it's a junior team, okay, four days a week, that's 500 butterflies during practice.

00:42:53.030 --> 00:42:54.092
That's just butterflies.

00:42:54.092 --> 00:42:56.925
I'm not talking about RVHs or anything else, just butterflies in practice.

00:42:56.925 --> 00:42:58.344
That's the average, okay.

00:42:58.344 --> 00:43:07.190
So now you go and you got 500 a week, you get 2000 a month, eight months of it of a junior season.

00:43:07.190 --> 00:43:09.733
Oh my God, think about that.

00:43:09.733 --> 00:43:11.664
No wonder we've got overuse.

00:43:11.704 --> 00:43:15.233
So I have a thing again on my soapbox about the 10-20 rule.

00:43:15.233 --> 00:43:23.068
First 10 shots of a shooting drill the goalie's just getting in position using hands, stick, tracking pucks.

00:43:23.068 --> 00:43:32.849
And then after the first 10 shots, okay, I got the drill, I got it all down, boom, work, footwork and they're trying to stop pucks and they're using their hands.

00:43:32.849 --> 00:43:35.588
And then the next 10 shots, let's go.

00:43:35.588 --> 00:43:47.525
Okay, but after your 20 shots into a drill, you're not going down again, because now you're starting to get tired, now your form starts to slip and that's where you start getting into issues.

00:43:47.525 --> 00:43:54.804
Okay, so the other great thing about it is those first 10 shots I'm not going down.

00:43:54.804 --> 00:44:03.351
I'm not default dropping, because if you're going down every shot it's going to get quicker and quicker and quicker that you're dropping.

00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:08.989
And it's all about being in the league Goaltenders, all about reading the play and reading the release.

00:44:08.989 --> 00:44:13.827
So these first 10 shots, you're reading the release, you're reacting to the puck.

00:44:13.827 --> 00:44:19.967
You're not just dropping, going to take a lot of the net just because of net coverage and then reacting from there.

00:44:19.967 --> 00:44:22.646
You're actually looking to see where that puck's going.

00:44:22.646 --> 00:44:30.246
And if that puck's going left, you're putting that weight on that right skate and you're moving, shifting to the left, so all this stuff happens.

00:44:30.246 --> 00:44:32.608
I'm not just straight dropping and then reaching.

00:44:32.608 --> 00:44:36.963
So you've got a whole development tool right there to use.

00:44:36.963 --> 00:44:44.550
Coaches and the players see the goalies aren't going down every shot.

00:44:44.550 --> 00:44:49.251
They think the goalie's not working Right.

00:44:49.251 --> 00:44:51.302
So now it's up to you, mike.

00:44:51.302 --> 00:45:06.766
It's up to you to train your staff and your kids to understand that when you do the first 20 minutes of practice and you're taking 7,000 shots that goalie's not supporting, they're working on something.

00:45:07.460 --> 00:45:25.606
I love the statistic over the weekend that I saw Dave Starman tweet out about the comparison of a youth pitcher pitching when they have these pitch counts right and what we don't do with our goaltenders, and it's the same idea.

00:45:25.606 --> 00:45:33.610
Like my son was a catcher in youth baseball, he was the only kid that would play catcher, so the coaches would have him play catcher the whole like a whole game.

00:45:33.610 --> 00:45:38.271
I'm like well, he's throwing more pitches back to the mound than any pitcher you have.

00:45:38.271 --> 00:46:16.945
You've had four pitchers and one catcher and he's throwing back, except the dingers that are going out of the park no-transcript bit and may not apply to all youth teams.

00:46:17.387 --> 00:46:19.992
You know, do you guys have two, two goalies on your teams?

00:46:21.867 --> 00:46:22.668
this is me the first time.

00:46:22.668 --> 00:46:25.559
My son doesn't have a goaltending partner, but they are looking for one.

00:46:27.346 --> 00:46:30.867
That's the other part of my question, and so I'll lay in on this, but go ahead.

00:46:30.867 --> 00:46:32.184
I have another question about that.

00:46:35.447 --> 00:46:46.284
So we've adapted at BU for this and Maria Mountain, expert in off-ice training for goalie development, she's the one that really got me going with this in off ice training for for goalie development.

00:46:46.284 --> 00:46:47.485
She's the one that really got me going with this.

00:46:47.485 --> 00:46:51.208
But you know, if you look at how goalies practice, it doesn't make any sense.

00:46:51.208 --> 00:47:03.344
So in a game you get some action down at your end, maybe a flurry of shots, whatever and then it goes down to the other end and it goes back and forth and back and forth.

00:47:03.344 --> 00:47:03.764
But what do we do?

00:47:03.764 --> 00:47:07.833
We stick a goalie in net and we go two, three minutes shot, shot, shot, shot.

00:47:07.833 --> 00:47:14.213
So you're performing with a high heart rate, right, so your heart rate's up there, you don't have any breaks.

00:47:14.213 --> 00:47:22.701
But in a game you're up and you're down, and so what happens is naturally all those shooting drills.

00:47:22.701 --> 00:47:23.842
You're starting off practice.

00:47:23.842 --> 00:47:24.846
What?

00:47:24.846 --> 00:47:26.670
What does a goalie play At 100%?

00:47:26.670 --> 00:47:27.652
No chance.

00:47:27.652 --> 00:47:32.911
If a goalie's practicing at 100%, they can't make it through a drill.

00:47:32.911 --> 00:47:37.146
If they're going down following, they're doing all that stuff.

00:47:37.146 --> 00:47:42.065
So what we've instituted at BU is what we call game mode.

00:47:42.065 --> 00:47:50.331
So when we're at practice doing the shooting drills, we have one goalie in that for four to six shots, that's it, wow.

00:47:50.331 --> 00:47:51.452
And then we rotate.

00:47:51.452 --> 00:47:56.106
So now you got two goalies at one end and they're going back and forth.

00:47:56.106 --> 00:47:57.925
Six shots back and forth, back and forth, back and forth.

00:47:57.925 --> 00:48:01.788
That's like a game Up down, up down.

00:48:01.788 --> 00:48:07.038
Now it's game mode, because they play every shot like it's a game shot.

00:48:07.038 --> 00:48:11.630
They follow every rebound like someone's going to shoot the rebound, whether someone's there or not.

00:48:11.630 --> 00:48:14.485
So it's work.

00:48:14.485 --> 00:48:15.407
They go through.

00:48:15.407 --> 00:48:15.686
Now.

00:48:15.726 --> 00:48:18.572
The other thing is I've never coached so much in my life.

00:48:18.572 --> 00:48:22.945
So now Chewy's in that.

00:48:22.945 --> 00:48:24.306
Max is beside him.

00:48:24.306 --> 00:48:26.250
Chewy takes six shots.

00:48:26.250 --> 00:48:28.755
He comes out, max goes in.

00:48:28.755 --> 00:48:32.125
Hey Chewy, that shot over the glove.

00:48:32.125 --> 00:48:33.568
You're like way too deep dude.

00:48:33.568 --> 00:48:34.670
Oh yeah, you're right.

00:48:34.670 --> 00:48:38.409
Okay, now picture this in normal practice mode.

00:48:38.409 --> 00:48:41.527
Goalies are in there, the whole drill, whatever.

00:48:41.527 --> 00:48:53.242
Hey Chewy, remember 27 shots ago when you got a shot over the glove, right, right it doesn't work right, or you're yelling at them in the drill yeah, they can't hear you yeah, yeah, like what are you doing?

00:48:53.282 --> 00:48:54.143
and and so.

00:48:54.143 --> 00:48:59.081
So therefore, like now they go in, take their force.

00:48:59.081 --> 00:49:00.184
I've got something to say.

00:49:00.184 --> 00:49:04.179
Every time they come, I'm constantly coaching during game mode.

00:49:04.179 --> 00:49:07.389
It's the greatest thing for me, because practice flies by.

00:49:07.389 --> 00:49:16.391
I'm not sitting there watching a guy get 42 shots in a row and then he's exhausted and then I go tap him on the butt as he goes to get water.

00:49:16.391 --> 00:49:17.545
Like what am I doing here?

00:49:17.545 --> 00:49:19.664
So now I'm constantly so.

00:49:19.664 --> 00:49:25.179
They're getting feedback and they're in and out and they're practicing at the right level.

00:49:25.300 --> 00:49:37.893
So when we had Drew Camesso, who was second round draft pick Chicago and plays for Rockford right now, like the way I told him is we have to practice at a higher level.

00:49:37.893 --> 00:49:43.032
You can't practice at the pace of the level you're playing at.

00:49:43.032 --> 00:49:44.123
You want to play at a high level.

00:49:44.123 --> 00:49:45.467
Let's play at a higher pace.

00:49:45.467 --> 00:49:48.297
Let's push ourselves a higher pace.

00:49:48.297 --> 00:49:52.563
Let's push ourselves spot to spot.

00:49:52.563 --> 00:49:54.148
If you're playing at the level of of, you're not getting better.

00:49:54.148 --> 00:49:54.750
You've got to.

00:49:54.750 --> 00:49:55.331
You got to push yourself.

00:49:55.331 --> 00:50:13.708
And so if you have two goalies on a team, you can do some drills where the goalies are down at one end, going back and forth in game mode, and now they're practicing with a higher intensity and they're getting their rest in between and that's the way they play a game.

00:50:13.708 --> 00:50:26.126
And I'm going to tell you this because when I use the word intensity, I think intensity is huge for a goaltender to be able to play with intensity and I think that intensity is what makes teams.

00:50:26.126 --> 00:50:28.472
So I had to go.

00:50:28.472 --> 00:50:30.065
I have a bridge Academy here.

00:50:30.065 --> 00:50:38.391
I've got I got 16 kids that come in and they train here at the pad in in in Boston, outside of Boston, and and they're here all day and they do online.

00:50:38.391 --> 00:50:39.844
It's a one year program.

00:50:39.884 --> 00:50:52.190
And there was this, this goalie I had and it was the sought-after goalie I've ever had and I was like really good goalie.

00:50:52.190 --> 00:50:59.751
So I went to a game and I knew within two minutes why all the prep school coaches wanted this goalie.

00:50:59.751 --> 00:51:12.010
Game was about to start, tap the post, glove to the post, step out to the top of the crease and I'm like whoa Play comes in the zone, talking post, post out.

00:51:12.010 --> 00:51:19.349
There was this, the I word, the intensity word, and I'm saying, yeah, if I'm a coach, that's the goalie I want too.

00:51:19.349 --> 00:51:25.648
It doesn't mean it's frantic, it doesn't mean it's out of control.

00:51:25.648 --> 00:51:26.996
It doesn't mean it's frantic, it doesn't mean it's out of control.

00:51:26.996 --> 00:51:40.112
It doesn't mean it's over the top, but it's doing things with the purpose being definitive, going to my post definitively stepping out, definitively up down, definitively calling out commands, showing confidence.

00:51:40.900 --> 00:51:46.652
There's that focus, intensity level, and I think that's the difference between goalies when they go to a tryout.

00:51:46.652 --> 00:51:54.090
Now you go to a tryout and you got one goalie who's dialed and another goalie that's maybe not.

00:51:54.090 --> 00:52:04.588
You can feel the intensity from the goalie that's dialed in and maybe not a skill, but I want that kid to play for me, but you want, I want that kid to play for me.

00:52:04.588 --> 00:52:20.797
So so I think that that we have to really focus, as as goalie parents and coaches, to bring out that intensity, because without that intensity maybe they don't make that team, maybe that scout that comes to see them doesn't leave there going.

00:52:20.797 --> 00:52:23.588
I want that goalie because they didn't feel that intensity.

00:52:23.588 --> 00:52:24.891
Intensity goes a long way.

00:52:26.159 --> 00:52:34.094
So so in that, in that thought process and you mentioned it earlier about Joey never being the only goalie on the team, how important is it?

00:52:34.094 --> 00:52:35.927
Because I personally think it's important.

00:52:35.927 --> 00:52:51.027
But what are your thoughts on sharing the net and having two goaltenders and, ideally, if you could get them with close to equal ability, like both being passionate, both being sound goaltenders, both being good competitors?

00:52:51.027 --> 00:52:55.110
Maybe talk a little bit about to the parents how.

00:52:55.110 --> 00:53:06.471
Maybe it's not important, but I think it's important what the dynamics is between a team that has one goalie and a team that has two goalies and how that kind of works for their own development.

00:53:07.599 --> 00:53:07.940
All right.

00:53:07.940 --> 00:53:08.983
So I'm at the Winter Classic.

00:53:08.983 --> 00:53:09.865
Who's sitting beside me?

00:53:09.865 --> 00:53:14.844
Joey's goalie partner from Mites and Squirts Right.

00:53:14.844 --> 00:53:18.610
That tells you that relationship.

00:53:18.610 --> 00:53:25.487
They're best friends today and they were goalie partners growing up through the youth system.

00:53:25.547 --> 00:53:29.494
So here's the thing that I want to be really clear.

00:53:29.494 --> 00:53:35.360
Like I love the two goalie thing, I think there's great value of if you're the only goalie, you get all the reps, you get all the games.

00:53:35.360 --> 00:53:37.987
So there's two completely different.

00:53:37.987 --> 00:53:41.248
It's apples and oranges, but there's benefits to both.

00:53:41.248 --> 00:53:42.646
So it's not one way or the other.

00:53:42.646 --> 00:53:46.851
But my kids always had a goalie partner, all right.

00:53:47.581 --> 00:53:52.760
And the thing is that I want to be very clear about is they shouldn't have a goalie partner.

00:53:52.760 --> 00:53:57.510
Is if they're not at the same level, a team carries two goalies.

00:53:57.510 --> 00:54:00.523
If they have two goalies that are at that level.

00:54:00.523 --> 00:54:03.206
If they don't, they shouldn't be there.

00:54:03.206 --> 00:54:08.936
And I think that's where, oh, we have to play both goalies, well, it shouldn't be, we have't, they shouldn't be there.

00:54:08.936 --> 00:54:10.798
And I think that's where, oh, we have to play both goalies, well, it shouldn't be, we have to.

00:54:10.798 --> 00:54:13.762
They should be the same, they should be able to play in that league.

00:54:13.762 --> 00:54:21.494
And I think if you try to force it and you have a goalie, just because they want to be on the A team and not the B team, but they're not an A player.

00:54:21.494 --> 00:54:24.663
They shouldn't be playing A.

00:54:24.663 --> 00:54:25.471
Go with one goalie at the A level.

00:54:25.471 --> 00:54:26.360
But if you have two A's, take two A's.

00:54:26.360 --> 00:54:29.909
Don't not take two A's because you only want to have one goalie for the team.

00:54:29.909 --> 00:54:32.164
Does that make sense?

00:54:32.184 --> 00:54:32.706
Yeah, no, no.

00:54:32.706 --> 00:54:37.324
I was thinking, yeah, and that's perfect sense actually, because it's just a matter of then.

00:54:37.324 --> 00:54:40.572
You're bringing even the practice level down and everything's down.

00:54:40.572 --> 00:54:42.340
The competition's not there there.

00:54:42.340 --> 00:54:43.461
The competition's not there, there is no.

00:54:43.461 --> 00:54:52.891
What I'm saying is when you have an opportunity to feed off each other and there's that pressure of like, oh my God, if I don't perform and maybe this isn't an 8 and 9 years old, Maybe this is a 14 and 15.

00:54:52.891 --> 00:54:54.552
I've got to compete.

00:54:54.572 --> 00:54:56.213
An 8 and 9 is fine.

00:54:56.213 --> 00:55:01.581
They're splitting the game, they're starting games, they're closing games, they're not backups, they're closers, like.

00:55:01.581 --> 00:55:19.186
So for me, I, I think it's great and look, it's goalie world and it's goalie nation and we live, we play a different sport, different psychological demands, like it's great to have someone that's living your, you know in in your world.

00:55:19.186 --> 00:55:22.293
You're not on an island every day for eight months.

00:55:22.293 --> 00:55:25.547
But I, I will say this one too, and and and and.

00:55:25.907 --> 00:55:37.481
People won't agree with me on this one wholeheartedly, but I had a thing with my kids growing up, when they were trying out for teams and whatever they were going to do.

00:55:37.481 --> 00:55:45.652
I said to the coaches I said if my son goes to a hockey game, he's playing.

00:55:45.652 --> 00:55:47.496
This is just me.

00:55:47.496 --> 00:55:55.710
I think it's ridiculous that a 10-year-old goes to a sporting event and a 12-year-old goes to a sporting event and doesn't play.

00:55:55.710 --> 00:55:58.789
I think it's the stupidest thing, like, just for me.

00:55:58.789 --> 00:56:04.288
And people will argue it's better for goalies to play the whole game and they should take their turns.

00:56:04.288 --> 00:56:13.824
And I understand and I could from a, you know, from a, okay, what's better developmentally, goalie, whatever, like, let's have that talk and that's fine.

00:56:13.824 --> 00:56:16.369
But irregardless, I don't, I don't give a rat's ass.

00:56:16.471 --> 00:56:24.764
To be honest with you, brian, these are the same people that won't dispute the fact that their kids sat for 40 minutes in practice not seeing a shot.

00:56:24.764 --> 00:56:26.431
So I'm like you know?

00:56:26.431 --> 00:56:27.784
Like okay, well, yeah, you want you.

00:56:27.784 --> 00:56:34.394
You're telling me that's your argument, but then I watched your team practice and your kids not even taking shots, like so what do you know?

00:56:34.394 --> 00:56:36.440
So what philosophy are you going with here?

00:56:36.681 --> 00:56:37.141
so like.

00:56:37.141 --> 00:56:47.606
For me, if a, if a youth athlete at any sport goes to a sporting event and doesn't play, it doesn't make any sense.

00:56:47.606 --> 00:56:57.108
Yeah, it's literally child abuse, literally telling a kid you're going to go, those 17 kids are going to play in this game, but you're not.

00:56:57.108 --> 00:56:58.913
Think about it.

00:56:58.913 --> 00:57:00.085
It makes no sense.

00:57:00.085 --> 00:57:07.766
And so, joey, all the way through up until, obviously, you get to prep school and then you earn your spots or whatever.

00:57:07.766 --> 00:57:19.010
But all you do, and from a coaching standpoint, if you want to go and get in this competitive, I love this one, I love hey, lee, here's the way my team's going to work this year.

00:57:19.010 --> 00:57:23.367
Both goalies are going to play, they're going to play 40%.

00:57:23.367 --> 00:57:25.588
Everybody gets 40%.

00:57:25.588 --> 00:57:29.403
One goalie gets 40%, one goal gets 40%, the other gets 40%, I get 20%.

00:57:29.403 --> 00:57:32.420
Maybe tournaments, maybe playoffs there's going to be.

00:57:32.420 --> 00:57:35.610
So now you can create different ages, whatever.

00:57:35.610 --> 00:57:37.628
But now you can create a little bit.

00:57:37.628 --> 00:57:39.266
But now the kids are going to play.

00:57:39.266 --> 00:57:45.744
But now when you get to a playoff game or you get to a tournament and you decide, guess what, this guy is hot, this guy is playing, let's go with it.

00:57:45.744 --> 00:57:50.110
Okay, so I, I can, I can go with that as you get a little bit older.

00:57:50.110 --> 00:57:52.632
You want to create that competition that you talked about.

00:57:52.632 --> 00:57:54.916
Now you can do a little 40, 40, 20.

00:57:54.916 --> 00:58:01.782
Yeah, no, that competitiveness is everything.

00:58:01.822 --> 00:58:03.965
But for me I always said to the coach so I, I would go, I would go to you, lee.

00:58:03.965 --> 00:58:04.768
I'd say, lee, here's the deal.

00:58:04.768 --> 00:58:09.114
And if you say it happened to me twice, I don't agree.

00:58:09.114 --> 00:58:11.047
I think the goalie should play four games.

00:58:11.047 --> 00:58:13.268
I'm like, well, that's fine, He'll go play somewhere else.

00:58:13.268 --> 00:58:17.806
But you know, let me ask you this I go, does your son play on the team?

00:58:17.806 --> 00:58:20.121
Yeah, okay, I said, how about this one?

00:58:20.121 --> 00:58:26.409
We'll make an agreement, lee, you play your son every other game and then you can play my son every other game.

00:58:27.010 --> 00:58:27.811
Let's do that.

00:58:27.932 --> 00:58:30.135
And then the coach looks at you and goes no, you're out of your mind.

00:58:30.135 --> 00:58:37.675
I'm not going like I'm not driving, I'm not leaving North Andover, driving an hour and ten minutes to Foxboro and my kid's not going to play.

00:58:37.675 --> 00:58:38.940
Right, they need that perspective.

00:58:38.940 --> 00:58:41.708
Well, that's what you're asking goalie parents to do.

00:58:41.708 --> 00:58:48.681
Give up a half day, give your kid.

00:58:48.681 --> 00:58:51.110
Your kid loses a half day and and you don't even you watch other kids play sports.

00:58:51.110 --> 00:58:51.992
Doesn't make like, that's just.

00:58:52.012 --> 00:58:55.041
That's just me, and and Brian like to echo what you said earlier.

00:58:55.041 --> 00:59:00.344
One of the things that we've done I think successfully with my kid is that when he's not net, he's out playing defense.

00:59:00.344 --> 00:59:02.789
Um, so he's always do that.

00:59:02.909 --> 00:59:04.902
You can do that probably not at the highest level.

00:59:05.184 --> 00:59:09.786
I'm sorry, yeah, I'm talking high school, right, so no, I meant.

00:59:09.846 --> 00:59:13.934
I meant like let's say I'd, let's say, you know, 10u EHF.

00:59:13.934 --> 00:59:19.320
That's hard to do if that player, if the goalie isn't good enough to like, it probably wouldn't work.

00:59:20.003 --> 00:59:25.657
But I understand what you're saying, yeah well, again we've encouraged in a town or a lower level it's perfect yeah.

00:59:25.677 --> 00:59:36.583
So what we do with him is that last year on his club team, he, when he wasn't in that, he played d, and then he played d exclusively, um, only d, I should say, for his school team, just like you were saying, yeah, and he loves.

00:59:36.583 --> 00:59:38.855
He loves both positions, which is really wonderful.

00:59:38.855 --> 00:59:45.425
He always leans towards goaltending, but he takes a lot of pride in playing D and getting to a high level with that.

00:59:45.425 --> 00:59:47.887
So what's cool is it's almost like playing two different sports.

00:59:47.887 --> 00:59:54.152
Like you said, we always talk about multi-sports athletes and he is don't get me wrong, it is two different sports, two different sides of the game that he's playing.

00:59:54.233 --> 00:59:57.496
So I think that's at the younger levels.

00:59:57.496 --> 00:59:58.617
Excuse me, that's one solution.

00:59:58.617 --> 01:00:01.961
I think too, and I want to lead this into a question.

01:00:01.961 --> 01:00:03.744
I can't believe how quickly this episode is going is?

01:00:03.744 --> 01:00:07.130
I want to talk to you about communication, because we always talk about in the show.

01:00:07.130 --> 01:00:10.655
10 out of 10 problems involve poor communication in some form.

01:00:10.655 --> 01:00:15.021
I think it starts the first day, right when you make a team.

01:00:15.222 --> 01:00:22.971
A coach should be speaking to a goaltender, talking to the goaltender and throughout the season, regularly talking to the goaltender about lots of different things.

01:00:22.971 --> 01:00:24.786
Now I don't want to assume those things.

01:00:24.786 --> 01:00:38.106
I want to ask you what types of communication should be going on between a coach and a goaltender and a goaltender's family, in some cases from the start of the season, through the season, because just go out there and stop the puck is not communication.

01:00:38.106 --> 01:00:46.148
You know, and I think that I appreciate when, when I and again I, obviously I coach too, but I appreciate when the head coaches come to me and say, hey, what does Logan want to work on?

01:00:46.148 --> 01:00:47.351
What does Logan need to work on?

01:00:47.351 --> 01:00:49.704
How is he feeling about practices?

01:00:49.704 --> 01:00:50.768
How can we get him more involved?

01:00:50.768 --> 01:00:54.690
I don't find that these conversations take place that often, right, so what?

01:00:54.690 --> 01:00:56.217
What is your stance?

01:00:56.217 --> 01:00:58.661
Obviously on communication from coaches to goalies.

01:00:58.661 --> 01:01:02.547
I'm not talking goaltending coaches, I'm talking coaches, right, like just just standard coaches.

01:01:02.547 --> 01:01:04.311
And what can we do better?

01:01:04.811 --> 01:01:06.835
Yeah, so, first off, you're too late.

01:01:07.800 --> 01:01:08.884
Start of the season is too late.

01:01:08.884 --> 01:01:10.329
There you go, yeah.

01:01:10.329 --> 01:01:14.692
So okay, this is what I tell parents all the time.

01:01:14.692 --> 01:01:18.208
It's not a contract, it's not legal or whatever.

01:01:18.208 --> 01:01:21.909
So my son is going to play for Mike's team.

01:01:21.909 --> 01:01:28.925
Mike says, here, we want your son to play for us, here's the agreement, so on and so forth.

01:01:28.985 --> 01:01:32.661
And I say, awesome, all right, mike, how are you going to work the goalies?

01:01:32.661 --> 01:01:34.704
Are they rotating?

01:01:34.704 --> 01:01:36.007
Are they playing full games?

01:01:36.007 --> 01:01:37.351
Is it play to win?

01:01:37.351 --> 01:01:38.773
Is it 50-50?

01:01:38.773 --> 01:01:40.501
Well, what's it going to be?

01:01:40.501 --> 01:01:42.224
All right, we go to tournaments.

01:01:42.224 --> 01:01:44.067
How are we going to work things at tournaments?

01:01:44.067 --> 01:01:45.648
How are things going to work at playoffs?

01:01:46.309 --> 01:01:48.012
All right, what's going on at practice?

01:01:48.012 --> 01:01:49.974
Is there someone there at practice?

01:01:49.974 --> 01:01:54.603
Is this one of the coaches?

01:01:54.603 --> 01:01:57.094
That is not the goalie coach, necessarily, but I say you should have someone on your staff.

01:01:57.094 --> 01:02:01.570
One of the coaches should be the coach responsible for the goalies.

01:02:01.570 --> 01:02:04.905
Okay, it's not the head coach, it's just one of the assistants.

01:02:04.905 --> 01:02:07.505
They're not a goalie coach, but they're responsible.

01:02:07.505 --> 01:02:15.603
So they're the ones that are saying, hey, we're going to go power play down, let's go down here, let's do skating drills, cause we're about to go demonstrate something there for the.

01:02:15.603 --> 01:02:17.467
Let's do so anyways.

01:02:17.748 --> 01:02:27.762
So that conversation all takes place right at the time where you're signing the agreement to play and then what I tell parents do.

01:02:27.762 --> 01:02:32.204
Then you take that conversation, you put it in an email.

01:02:32.204 --> 01:02:34.724
Hey Mike, great conversation of the day.

01:02:34.724 --> 01:02:36.686
Johnny's excited to play for you.

01:02:36.686 --> 01:02:39.286
It's awesome we're going with the 40-40-20.

01:02:39.286 --> 01:02:40.007
It's nice.

01:02:40.007 --> 01:02:43.849
You're going to have a goalie coach every second week at a practice.

01:02:43.849 --> 01:02:44.628
You know what I mean.

01:02:44.628 --> 01:02:51.159
Like whatever it is, you spell it out and it's done and you send it off and now you have a copy.

01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:52.161
That's great.

01:02:52.269 --> 01:03:10.382
Because this conversation can't happen at the New England Sports Center after your kid just didn't play the semifinal and grandma came, and grandpa came and the sister and brother came and everybody's there to see Johnny play in the tournament, and now the coach plays the other kid and then dad's waiting for the coach in the parking lot.

01:03:10.382 --> 01:03:13.155
Like that conversation can't happen at that point.

01:03:13.155 --> 01:03:30.543
So all that communication that you talk about what to expect, what's going to go on, that's got to take place when deciding on the team and committing to that year, not after that and brian, the best organizations also do that proactively to their families.

01:03:30.603 --> 01:03:31.793
Right, I mean the best organization?

01:03:31.793 --> 01:03:35.556
Yeah, I mean that I've seen like they say, like it's not just we have a goalie coach.

01:03:35.556 --> 01:03:36.880
Okay, what the hell does that mean?

01:03:36.880 --> 01:03:39.364
Like, and there's a goalie coach, even talked to the head coach.

01:03:39.364 --> 01:03:47.920
Like you know, like, like I know in my experience in a lot of organizations I've been working with, like they have a goalie coaches, but there's no interaction between the goalie coach and the head coach.

01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:57.976
The head coach, the goalie coach, just shows up at the practice, says, hey, I'm the goalie coach today.

01:03:57.976 --> 01:03:59.181
Like, well, okay, uh, go ahead, take them when you need them.

01:03:59.181 --> 01:04:06.318
You know, and I think it's like this whole, but I think laying that out there and articulating that for both parties is so strong for advocating for your kid, but also an organization advocating for goalies.

01:04:06.318 --> 01:04:07.521
You want to come play for me?

01:04:07.521 --> 01:04:08.990
This is why you want to play for me.

01:04:09.331 --> 01:04:12.317
I'm giving you this because we provide this absolutely.

01:04:12.317 --> 01:04:13.177
We we we.

01:04:13.818 --> 01:04:19.954
We want to enhance your goaltending experience, knowing and just admitting the fact that it is a different position.

01:04:19.954 --> 01:04:23.349
It's a whole different philosophy of how we're going to work it.

01:04:23.349 --> 01:04:32.036
Because I can't work you in, um, when I'm screaming at the kids for 25 minutes on the power play breakout and the goaltenders it's in the middle of the breakout, really not doing anything.

01:04:32.036 --> 01:04:56.411
I can't justify that, right, but in this way I'm like no, no, during these times, like I've even listened, I've got to the point where I'll even bring in if I know I'm having a specific week of practices where I'm working on certain things that don't have a lot of goaltending interaction, I'll bring a goaltender in from another team just for extra ice and let my other two goaltenders work with the goalie coach alone, like where, like they're not even part of the team, like I'm like this is your chance to do this.

01:04:56.411 --> 01:05:00.391
I just need somebody in the net to have a puck hit him every now and then you know what I mean.

01:05:00.411 --> 01:05:03.400
So I think that's like to me and that's, and that kid loves it.

01:05:03.400 --> 01:05:04.590
Because they go, I'm getting to play on the.

01:05:04.590 --> 01:05:05.652
You know I got called up.

01:05:05.652 --> 01:05:08.697
Or you know I got pulled, I get extra ice time, I'm getting more.

01:05:08.697 --> 01:05:21.969
So you've got to think outside of our normal traditional like okay, you show up, like to your point, brian, you show up, you get dressed, you go on, you save some pucks, you get undressed, you go home and there's no corresponding.

01:05:21.969 --> 01:05:30.898
And then the parents, to your point, you can't bring that up in January 18th in a tournament, and I think it's just like that's and that's again.

01:05:30.898 --> 01:05:35.704
That's why you know, listen, that's that's why we're here right now, you know, having this conversation, and I love it.

01:05:35.744 --> 01:05:37.385
I love that you guys care so much about it.

01:05:42.190 --> 01:05:54.054
We do, we generally do, and you know it's funny, we started doing this prior to my son becoming a goaltender and it just happened to fall in my lap a little bit of all the great advice that we get from my family and my kid, and it really is a wonderful experience in a lot of different ways, outside the obvious.

01:05:54.054 --> 01:05:56.639
Brian listen, I got a page full of notes here.

01:05:56.639 --> 01:05:57.603
I mean we could keep going.

01:05:57.603 --> 01:06:02.753
One thing I got to ask about because we're running out of time is Sens Arena and the goaltending side of it.

01:06:02.753 --> 01:06:05.219
I'll start this question with this.

01:06:06.262 --> 01:06:17.501
I've never played goalie except in that VR headset and as limiting as that is compared to the real game man did that give me a completely different perspective on the game.

01:06:17.501 --> 01:06:26.163
Aside from it being a little bit of a game and having fun, just to have virtual shots taken on me has really opened my eyes to goaltending.

01:06:26.163 --> 01:06:30.481
And again I want to reiterate I'm not saying it's the same thing.

01:06:30.481 --> 01:06:34.594
I'm not saying that that VR experience is the same as the on ice experience.

01:06:34.594 --> 01:06:43.382
Obviously, you're not dropping a butterfly in the VR experience, but I was amazed at how immersive it was and what it has done for me as a coach and a player.

01:06:43.382 --> 01:06:48.041
So I want to ask you you've been involved with this Again, you're a director over there.

01:06:49.010 --> 01:06:50.677
Again, I've seen your son use it.

01:06:50.677 --> 01:07:02.603
Right, tell me about Sensorena and kind of from a goaltending standpoint maybe, how this is innovating or changing, because when I see NHL goaltenders using this to warm up, that says something.

01:07:02.603 --> 01:07:05.172
Right, this is not just a little Nintendo thing anymore.

01:07:05.172 --> 01:07:07.298
Right, this is something that's becoming a real training tool.

01:07:07.298 --> 01:07:13.483
I've also noticed they're not in there for an hour, right, they're in there for a really short amount of time and it kind of warms up the senses.

01:07:13.483 --> 01:07:15.998
So, talk to me about Sensorena a little bit from a goaltending standpoint.

01:07:16.590 --> 01:07:23.920
Well, I'll go back a little bit how you led that in your experience with it and it makes me think of Elvis Merce Lickens when he got his.

01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:36.190
So he goes, he puts it on, he's down in the basement.

01:07:36.190 --> 01:07:40.139
Uh, like, within two minutes he puts it down, he goes to get his wife and he puts his wife in the headset.

01:07:40.139 --> 01:07:52.985
Honey, this is what I do, like, like, and she's like, oh my god, like, now she understands what it's like and how fast.

01:07:52.985 --> 01:07:55.137
Now she understands the experience.

01:07:55.137 --> 01:08:00.402
It gave her a whole new outlook in terms of what his job is.

01:08:00.402 --> 01:08:02.552
It is.

01:08:02.972 --> 01:08:07.903
Obviously my son is a really good example of a typical user.

01:08:07.903 --> 01:08:14.532
So I'm involved, you know a lot to do with the development of the drills and all this kind of stuff, and and.

01:08:14.532 --> 01:08:22.154
So he got his headset and he got sensorina and he tried it and he didn't put it on for two years.

01:08:22.154 --> 01:08:29.814
And it was hard for me because I'm there helping and I'm part of it and my son isn't using it.

01:08:29.814 --> 01:08:39.875
And then one day he's playing they don't have a morning skate, this is pro Doesn't have a morning skate.

01:08:39.875 --> 01:08:42.096
So he wanted a morning skate.

01:08:42.096 --> 01:08:44.296
So he's like you know what?

01:08:44.296 --> 01:08:49.042
I'll throw that VR thing on and you know, see how that is.

01:08:49.042 --> 01:08:51.738
So he went 15, 20 minutes of doing the VR.

01:08:51.738 --> 01:08:54.858
What happens that night Gets a shutout.

01:08:57.712 --> 01:08:58.595
That's how you get them to do it.

01:08:59.458 --> 01:09:00.201
The rest is history.

01:09:00.201 --> 01:09:04.582
And then now every practice go in.

01:09:04.582 --> 01:09:06.417
So you think about it right.

01:09:06.417 --> 01:09:12.182
If you use it before a practice, your eyes, you're starting to get in tune.

01:09:12.182 --> 01:09:13.792
You're starting to get in tune.

01:09:13.792 --> 01:09:14.694
Yeah, you're starting to get going.

01:09:14.694 --> 01:09:21.878
And all the goalies will tell us they have much better practices when they do the vr before they go on the ice for practice.

01:09:21.878 --> 01:09:23.163
I can see that?

01:09:23.425 --> 01:09:26.036
yeah, I can see that just from using myself well.

01:09:26.497 --> 01:09:41.872
It also backs up the fact that what you talked about earlier about you know when you have a goal when you're in practice and you could get that goalie doing like 12, 15 minutes of skating drills every practice over three practices a week and how that adds up like this is your opera and I we use sense arena at the schools I work with.

01:09:41.872 --> 01:10:04.162
Every youth hockey organization I work with at least gets two um headsets and and you know, some players use it, some players don't, which is fine, but the players that that do are getting so much ROI on the investment of the tool that they don't have to go anywhere, they don't have to get dressed, they don't have to, you know, really find anywhere bigger than like a small room or an area Right Even in the ring.

01:10:04.221 --> 01:10:09.237
It's 6x6, man it just gets the reps in, and I thought it was a gimmick too.

01:10:12.670 --> 01:10:14.644
And you and I thought it was a gimmick too and I'm like well, how many different things can you do?

01:10:14.644 --> 01:10:14.845
I did too.

01:10:14.865 --> 01:10:27.462
Until I put it on, Right, they actually came to see me in this office and did a presentation and showed it to me on a computer and I was like and then a few months later they say, hey, could you come in?

01:10:27.462 --> 01:10:29.337
And this is when it was the vibe.

01:10:29.337 --> 01:10:32.881
This is before the headsets, like standalone.

01:10:32.881 --> 01:10:35.578
It was a ten thousand dollars, just so you know.

01:10:35.578 --> 01:10:49.457
Like five years ago it was ten thousand dollars to get the hardware to do sensory, but anyways, right, uh, now it's a few hundred bucks, but the minute I put that on I said this is incredible, your drills suck.

01:10:49.457 --> 01:10:51.158
I want to be a part of this, right, right, let me help you.

01:10:51.158 --> 01:10:51.479
Let me help you.

01:10:51.479 --> 01:10:52.782
I like this, so I want to be a part of this Right.

01:10:52.801 --> 01:10:53.381
Let me help you.

01:10:53.381 --> 01:10:54.082
Let me help you.

01:10:54.082 --> 01:10:54.944
I like this so much.

01:10:54.944 --> 01:10:55.585
I want to help you.

01:10:56.086 --> 01:10:56.587
Exactly.

01:10:56.587 --> 01:11:04.184
And, mike, the most important thing here is all those reps have no wear and tear on them, right?

01:11:04.184 --> 01:11:05.474
No going up and down.

01:11:05.474 --> 01:11:06.457
Now think about this too.

01:11:06.457 --> 01:11:10.152
If you're not going up and down, you're reading the release.

01:11:10.152 --> 01:11:11.833
You're reading the release.

01:11:11.833 --> 01:11:13.274
You're reading the play.

01:11:13.274 --> 01:11:14.256
You're reading the release.

01:11:14.256 --> 01:11:17.918
You're not defaulting into anything.

01:11:17.918 --> 01:11:22.063
And now that may help you hold your edges.

01:11:22.063 --> 01:11:26.947
Just that extra split, yeah, and that's going to make all the difference in the world.

01:11:32.310 --> 01:11:35.796
So I know this is our goaltending section, but on the forward side and on the player side I experienced the same thing having players that.

01:11:35.796 --> 01:11:42.778
So with a player there's a tendency to pass and come up, pass and come up, and what happens is, with the Sensorena, it doesn't allow.

01:11:42.778 --> 01:11:48.199
You're not in skates, you don't have to be in anything, but it doesn't allow you to have that.

01:11:48.199 --> 01:12:01.542
It forces you to be in the sensation of being in a position where you can get and receive passes and start to create that muscle memory so that you know I'm not doing this instinctive come up, I'm coming at.

01:12:01.542 --> 01:12:03.737
And that really changes a player.

01:12:03.737 --> 01:12:22.122
And when you can do that, especially with these young players over and over, like just catch and release, catch and release, catch and release, catch and release, not catching, dangle stick, handle, brush, do all this other stuff Brushing off and we're seeing it every day, like you see it in the NHL and how the microcosm of why teams get where they get.

01:12:22.529 --> 01:12:30.581
It's the nuance of did you pull the puck across the blue line and rip it, or did you pull across the blue line and brush and brush and then it's gone?

01:12:30.581 --> 01:12:34.493
It plays over across the blue line and brush and brush and then it's gone.

01:12:34.493 --> 01:12:36.016
It plays over and with young players outside of goaltending.

01:12:36.037 --> 01:12:46.137
And again, I know because I remember censorina when it first came out it was goaltending, that's all it was it was like this is made for goaltending well, you can't skate around, but the fact is your brain doesn't know you're not skating around.

01:12:46.137 --> 01:12:55.363
Your brain thinks I'm just looking and reading and reacting and playing, and and that's going to translate to on ice.

01:12:55.363 --> 01:13:11.404
And I know every goaltender I mean I think I have seven goaltenders that I personally work with in some capacity that all have Sensarena and they all do it in a place of their own convenience, at their own time, at their own reps, and get to get in there whenever they want.

01:13:11.404 --> 01:13:20.109
Like, if they feel like, hey, today's the day I want to put in a good 15, 20 minutes, they can do it and it literally is putting a hat on.

01:13:20.170 --> 01:13:21.936
This is the greatest line from Joey.

01:13:21.936 --> 01:13:29.422
He looks at me one day and goes I don't understand how every goalie doesn't have sensory.

01:13:29.422 --> 01:13:32.115
And this is the guy that wouldn't use it.

01:13:32.115 --> 01:13:35.994
Because it was gimmicky he wouldn't use it.

01:13:36.289 --> 01:13:49.416
And now he's like I don't understand how someone doesn't have it Right right, and especially for when I mean, like not to get too salesy, but the fact is you could get a sensorine set up for less than a goalie stick right now.

01:13:49.416 --> 01:13:54.465
So I mean, you're basically, you know, so like to me as a youth hockey parent.

01:13:54.465 --> 01:14:01.560
I'm like, holy crap, like I have to get you two goalie sticks for the for September and they're going to cost me almost $700.

01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:02.854
Well, why don't I just get?

01:14:02.875 --> 01:14:02.975
this.

01:14:02.975 --> 01:14:07.898
I say the same thing about our stop at goaltending you app is like nine 99.

01:14:07.898 --> 01:14:20.016
And like so, our typical client, our typical client, our typical goalie at Stop it Goaltending spends about $2,000 to $2,500 a year.

01:14:20.016 --> 01:14:27.179
Okay For training, for us, right, the app that has all the resources and all the knowledge and all their drills and the explanation of the drills.

01:14:27.179 --> 01:14:42.496
Like I'm leaving here, I'm going to Merrimack, we're filming all of our summer drills and we're they go on the app so you can then look at the drill before hear the explanation, then go on the ice and then that's another hit now.

01:14:42.496 --> 01:14:46.131
Now you've got the coach coaching it, you already know what's coming.

01:14:46.131 --> 01:14:48.716
So you know the drill, you know how it's going to go.

01:14:48.716 --> 01:14:52.344
Now you get there, you max for an extra nine bucks.

01:14:55.153 --> 01:14:56.014
Like.

01:14:56.134 --> 01:15:05.596
I have the same thing when it comes to the stop and go to the UAP, as Sensorena is like they're no brainers when you think about the money that goes into everything else.

01:15:05.596 --> 01:15:08.774
That's what makes it hard, and your time.

01:15:09.256 --> 01:15:09.759
And your time.

01:15:09.759 --> 01:15:13.341
I mean, you know, listen, in Massachusetts maybe you can get to a rink in 25 minutes.

01:15:13.341 --> 01:15:21.221
In a lot of places you can't get to a rink for an hour and a half and you know it's like okay, well, listen, after school, like I, just look at it the way like any.

01:15:21.221 --> 01:15:27.500
You know, after school you don't have great basketball players get great After school.

01:15:27.500 --> 01:15:30.341
They go and is shooting hoops like this is like.

01:15:30.341 --> 01:15:33.984
To me it's like one of those things where, well, why, like I, get upset in my neighborhood?

01:15:33.984 --> 01:15:36.067
I'm like I, everybody has a goddamn basketball hoop.

01:15:36.067 --> 01:15:36.667
How come nobody?

01:15:36.667 --> 01:15:37.631
I got to put a.

01:15:37.631 --> 01:15:40.640
I'm going to throw a net in every driveway.

01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:41.470
I just want to see.

01:15:41.650 --> 01:15:53.685
Well, this is what I'll say, this, this is what I've been saying for years that the biggest plight of today's youth is that they have unlimited access to information that we didn't have.

01:15:53.685 --> 01:15:59.018
And it's I don't want to say I don't like to say it to them, but it's like.

01:15:59.018 --> 01:16:00.907
It's not that they're too lazy to use it, it's they don't see it for what it's worth.

01:16:00.907 --> 01:16:02.011
And I'm going to say this one more time.

01:16:02.011 --> 01:16:13.252
On Sensarena, brian, when I went in there at first, it was jarring, just wow, okay, I've never seen this before.

01:16:13.271 --> 01:16:22.340
And then and this is just through my own process of being a hockey player and a professional in the workplace I started to critique myself in a good way of like okay, I understand, now I have to do this or I have to do that.

01:16:22.340 --> 01:16:38.675
And when you start doing the drills with the real players which is a totally amazing experience, I mean, I'm not saying I got great at goaltending or anything like that, but it's like man, I'm starting to learn, I'm starting to understand this position and again, it goes with the players as well, the skater side of it.

01:16:38.675 --> 01:16:54.140
But as a tool to just understand the position, it was worth the money to me, right, and that alone, like so look, it's a little hard to say, hey, everyone should go buy this and go play goalie, that's every skater in the world.

01:16:54.140 --> 01:16:59.926
But just trying this will give you a completely different perspective on the game and it has changed how I view the game.

01:17:03.069 --> 01:17:04.755
Well, you shouldn't be allowed to yell at your kid unless you get into the system.

01:17:04.774 --> 01:17:06.600
Well, I think Brian also had another business model.

01:17:06.600 --> 01:17:15.622
We need to make a VR game of just jobs that people do Like honey, come down, check out my construction job, get in the VR headset, let's build a building together.

01:17:15.622 --> 01:17:18.092
Adversely, hey, husband, come here, come fix this guy, I'm a nurse.

01:17:18.092 --> 01:17:21.301
I want you to you know, we could have a whole thing there.

01:17:22.110 --> 01:17:23.832
But you know you laugh, but that's, that's the key.

01:17:23.832 --> 01:17:31.966
Like when you, right now, when you you learn how to weld you welding machine, like yeah, we learn how to do operations.

01:17:32.206 --> 01:17:33.908
People are operating in a vr headset.

01:17:33.908 --> 01:17:36.175
They're operating in a virtual reality setting.

01:17:36.175 --> 01:17:49.836
So the tools there, the opportunities there, I look at it from a coaching perspective that it gets you reps, that you don't, don't get anywhere else or on your own time, on your own dime and and really for if I'm a kid they could it's just there.

01:17:49.836 --> 01:17:50.997
It's kind of sitting the corner.

01:17:50.997 --> 01:17:52.340
You just put it on when you want.

01:17:52.340 --> 01:17:54.181
Mom and dad don't have to yell at you no coaches.

01:17:54.202 --> 01:17:56.210
Kids want to do it.

01:17:56.210 --> 01:17:57.472
Yeah that's right.

01:17:57.514 --> 01:18:00.581
And if they, if they, if they venture into Fortnite, it is what it is.

01:18:02.229 --> 01:18:03.532
Brian, listen, we could keep talking.

01:18:03.532 --> 01:18:05.875
I think we're going to have to have you back for a part two at some point.

01:18:05.875 --> 01:18:10.442
This time went really quick, but I want to thank you for just coming on today.

01:18:10.442 --> 01:18:11.743
You've really dropped a lot of gold.

01:18:11.743 --> 01:18:17.045
I mean, I can't wait to share the mini clips from this episode because it's really going to help a lot of people.

01:18:17.045 --> 01:18:20.257
And, again, I think we accomplished the goal of this show.

01:18:20.257 --> 01:18:24.310
While it's about goaltenders, it is not just for goaltenders, right?

01:18:24.310 --> 01:18:31.297
You've given immense perspective today across the board, for coaches, for players, for goalies and parents, which is the goal.

01:18:31.297 --> 01:18:33.002
So I want to thank you for that and for coming on today.

01:18:33.329 --> 01:18:35.274
Thank you, thanks for doing what you guys do too.

01:18:35.274 --> 01:18:36.417
It's much appreciated.

01:18:36.417 --> 01:18:36.998
I need it.

01:18:37.820 --> 01:18:38.523
Yeah, Thank you, sir.

01:18:38.523 --> 01:18:41.158
Well, that's going to do it for this edition of our kids play goalie.

01:18:41.158 --> 01:18:42.474
For Mike Benelli and Brian Decord.

01:18:42.474 --> 01:18:43.270
I'm Lee Elias, Remember?

01:18:43.270 --> 01:18:48.537
You can catch all of the our kids play goalie episodes and the our kids play hockey at ourkidsplayhockeycom.

01:18:48.537 --> 01:18:49.720
That's going to do it for today.

01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:51.302
Skate on, have a wonderful time.

01:18:51.302 --> 01:18:52.925
We'll see you next time on Our Kids Play Goalie.

01:18:52.925 --> 01:18:56.439
We hope you enjoyed this edition of Our Kids Play Hockey.

01:18:56.439 --> 01:18:59.698
Make sure to like and subscribe right now if you found value.

01:18:59.698 --> 01:19:05.954
Wherever you're listening, whether it's a podcast network, a social media network or our website, ourkidsplayhockeycom.

01:19:05.954 --> 01:19:11.140
Also, make sure to check out our children's book when Hockey Stops at whenhockeystopscom.

01:19:11.140 --> 01:19:15.423
It's a book that helps children deal with adversity in the game and in life.

01:19:15.423 --> 01:19:16.484
We're very proud of it.

01:19:16.484 --> 01:19:26.582
But thanks so much for listening to this edition of Our Kids Play Hockey and we'll see you on the next episode.